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Mark Steele

Christ I reply far too slowly. Thats what having to work in the private sector does for you - not enought time to reply prompltly

This is the official position from the Lib Dem spokesperson on the Labour-Lib Dem talks, for what it's worth: "Key members of Labour's negotiating team gave every impression of wanting the process to fail and Labour made no attempt at all to agree a common approach with the Liberal Democrats on issues such as fairer schools funding for the most deprived pupils and taking those on low incomes out of tax. It became clear to the Liberal Democrats that certain key Labour cabinet ministers were determined to undermine any agreement by holding out on policy issues and suggesting that Labour would not deliver on proportional representation and might not marshal the votes to secure even the most modest form of electoral reform. It is clear that some people in the Labour Party see opposition as a more attractive alternative to the challenges of creating a progressive, reforming government, not least in the context of a Labour leadership election campaign." I do think the Mandy/Campbell were pulling the strings more with the next election in mind rather than failing to acheive a liblab coalition. Worth it to see the Tories shit themselves at the prospect

I've said as much earlier. Particularly the last bit. Thing is though, it hasn't just come from the Lib Dems that Labour weren't arsed. Labour have said they weren't arsed either. It pisses me off a little though it the above is true as it shows cowardice on the part of Labour imo. Let some else make the unpopular decisions so they can score off the resulting unrest. Those decisions need making whomever is in power and in some respects - I think it should have been Labour making those decisions to repair some of the damage they played their part in. I am pretty sure Labour would have preferred to have won the Election, and are of the opinion that their plans would have been better for the country than the libdemcon. Cowardice is a bit of a ridiculous accusation My suggestion of cowardice was aimed at their preference to move into opposition rather than form a coalition and implement their plan. Surely if they believed strongly enough in it, then they would have done whatever it took to action said plan - if it was for the good of the country? I think it was realism rather than cowardice. It would have been stupidity not bravery to go for a plan that waoud have pretty much garuenteed electoral wipeout when the alliance imploded. There werent the numbers to make it stick

I've said as much earlier. Particularly the last bit. Thing is though, it hasn't just come from the Lib Dems that Labour weren't arsed. Labour have said they weren't arsed either. It pisses me off a little though it the above is true as it shows cowardice on the part of Labour imo. Let some else make the unpopular decisions so they can score off the resulting unrest. Those decisions need making whomever is in power and in some respects - I think it should have been Labour making those decisions to repair some of the damage they played their part in. I am pretty sure Labour would have preferred to have won the Election, and are of the opinion that their plans would have been better for the country than the libdemcon. Cowardice is a bit of a ridiculous accusation

To be fair though (which I dont like being) The libdems and the cons did agree that cuts were the way to tackle the deficit not tax rises. The disagreement was more the timetable, and I can see how the piigs in Euroland may have concentrated their thinking. Thats the end of my impatiality - I feel dirty all three parties agreed cuts were inevitable - labotu too. the only difference being the tories wanted to start straight away while the libdems and labour wanted to secure the recovery before starting to make cuts. interestign to note that the economy (the big issue fought in the election campaign) is the one where clegg made compromises instead of things like electoral reform and fuixed terms. cameron appears to have made more concessions but on the big issue thaat really matters, he got his way. I cant be bothered looking it up but I think the defecit reduction plans in the manifestos had Liberals 100% cuts the tories were 80:20 cuts/tax and Labour were 50:50. I could be wrong like. Anyway Vote Clegg get Brown my arse - what a stitch up by the brothers toff

To be fair though (which I dont like being) The libdems and the cons did agree that cuts were the way to tackle the deficit not tax rises. The disagreement was more the timetable, and I can see how the piigs in Euroland may have concentrated their thinking. Thats the end of my impatiality - I feel dirty

The Daily Mail/Sun/Telegraph would have been a beautiful sight. And even though the number of votes would in my eyes ould have been legitimate you are right about the shit sticking

Fair point. I dunno - calling the global financial meltdown following the American sub prime mortgage fiasco Labours financial crisis doesnt seem like the bright new modern consensual politics line we are being spoon fed They're going to present a united front though, aren't they? I take your point like. Yeah I still object to the petty party point scoring based on what I consider a lie but I admit the bitter bit. I'm definitely bitter

Fair point. I dunno - calling the global financial meltdown following the American sub prime mortgage fiasco Labours financial crisis doesnt seem like the bright new modern consensual politics line we are being spoon fed They're going to present a united front though, aren't they? I take your point like. Fair enough on the united front, but the very first joint document showing such intellectual dishonesty is pretty depressing. I'm in no way claiming Labour woud/have behaved any better obv

Fair point. I dunno - calling the global financial meltdown following the American sub prime mortgage fiasco Labours financial crisis doesnt seem like the bright new modern consensual politics line we are being spoon fed

thats the bit I agree with - its going to be a long cold winter

mmmmmm lemons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Tibbets Eliza Tibbets (1825 - 1898), along with her husband Luther C. Tibbets, is known as the founder of the citrus production industry in California.[1] In 1873 she convinced William Saunders,[2] Superintendent of the fledgling Bureau of Agriculture, to make her a test grower for his new seedless oranges from Bahia, Brazil.[3] By planting and nurturing the orange trees that Saunders sent her, Tibbets revolutionized the citrus industry.[4] Introduction of these oranges, later called the Washington Navel Orange, proved to be the most successful experiment of Saunders’ tenure,[5] and one of the outstanding events in the economic and social development of California.[6] For the next 60 years and more, a great industry was built up from the two small trees planted by Eliza Tibbets.[7].................................

Nothing to do with "bad loser" mate. There are people on here who's jobs will go because of this. My mrs. is one of them. Indeed! civil servants lube up... awful all round, as parky said nothing good can come of this Statements like that get on my last fucking nerve and all, it's the typical dross you hear from people who know bugger all about politics and will vote for something they don't understand because "it can't be worse than what they have going on now!", aye har fucking har. They're the political equivalent of the retards you see outside SJP on the skysports cams with misspelt banners. edit In fact what major shit have you had to suffer through with labour that would sway you to vote for the walking stereotype of Harry Enfields "tory boy", and dont bother mentioning the war or the expenses scandal they frankly don't count, a dictator was ousted (ok not by the best of means) but not the worst result none the less, and politicians being corrupt and getting money...shock horror What pisses me off is "They are all the same"... no they are not, as we will soon find out. Oh and sniffer - fuck off

Just watching Bill Cash - be interesting to see how the tory euro nutters and the libdems get on

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I assume he means they are hardly the face of the modernised Tory party that Cameron was supposed to have delivered

I think Adam needs a holiday

That would be the The Conservative and Unionist Party to give it its full name -hypocritical Tories, whouda thought it

Putting my Parky hat on - watch out for the dark horse. Ben Bradshaw for next leader

Came from George Osbourne, didn't it?? Absolutely desperate and given the short time since Brown announced that Labour were entering formal discussions with the Lib Dems, it makes the Tories look as weak as piss IMO. Whoever advised them (no-one I'm guessing) on blurting that one out needs their head examined. They're panicking like fuck!!! Yeah, that's the sound of Cameron's arse going, and who could want somebody that spineless and desperate in charge of anything, let alone the country. I mean i might disagree with pretty much everything he stands for but at least if he'd stuck to his guns on PR i could say he's a man of his own principals, but he's not even that! They lasted what, an hour? before completely caving in. Not only that they blurted in out on tv, what happened to "constructive discussions" behind closed doors. Bloody hopeless. Gutless clueless arseholes

Conservatives bounced into agreeing to PR -labour rebuilding as the Tories oversee economic meltdown. The right routed for good from the next election I sense the machavellian genius of Mandy pulling everybodies strings here

First the election Then the "club statement" now this - I dont know how much more I can take

Jesus - now I'm depressed Says it so much better than ever could