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how much are rental values in london Meenz? How long is a piece of string? It varies from street to street here, never mind neighbourhood to neighbourhood or borough to borough... Thats quite a range

Not really I just don't have time to pick through Matts point. Which really isn't a point, more of a rant based on the idea that the Tories have ignored all sound economic advise to put into place a nefarious plan to dismantle this countries public sector at the detriment of the country as a whole....which is of course as ridiculous as it sounds. Like it or not a downgrade would have been a disaster because: A. The countries exchange rate would have been smashed meaning we would have had to pay back much more on our EUR and USD denominated debt B. The rate we borrow at would make interest cost a real burden on future spending Who cares if you can get a bond out if you are paying a 1000+bp spread on it? Of course the accumulated minds of Toontastic have got it right and the government working on the advice of some of the countries finest economists have it all wrong. Clearly a conspiracy against the north *scousetastic* You are out of your depth son, give it up

To be honest Alex, I'm losing the will to live on this one. I find it staggering that people want to continue building an economy on unsustainable debt levels after a crisis caused by.....unsustainable debt levels nutters Nice analysis - so much wrong in so few words. The irony levels itt are ots coming from STP the king of the soundbite. Why don't you tell me where you think that is wrong and I will pick it to bits for you. Your claim that people want to build an economy built on unsustainable debt is unttrue. Your claim that the crisis was caused by unsustainable debt is wrong What are we going to pay for government spending in a recession with? Magic beans? What do you think started the credit crisis? Toxic debt. Nice forensic analysis again. You actally have less idea than I thought.

To be honest Alex, I'm losing the will to live on this one. I find it staggering that people want to continue building an economy on unsustainable debt levels after a crisis caused by.....unsustainable debt levels nutters Nice analysis - so much wrong in so few words. The irony levels itt are ots coming from STP the king of the soundbite. Why don't you tell me where you think that is wrong and I will pick it to bits for you. Your claim that people want to build an economy built on unsustainable debt is unttrue. Your claim that the crisis was caused by unsustainable debt is wrong Obviously we have to keep it simple because you have the economic intelligence of a pre-schooler

To be honest Alex, I'm losing the will to live on this one. I find it staggering that people want to continue building an economy on unsustainable debt levels after a crisis caused by.....unsustainable debt levels nutters Nice analysis - so much wrong in so few words. The irony levels itt are ots

The thing that makes me laugh HF is that you are prepared to believe the idiotic fantasies of internet conspiracy theorists whilst calling into question the motivations / accuracy of the Financial Times. Typical loony lefty I guess. That's a bit of an about turn isn't it? Just a couple of posts ago you said that social welfare spending and market welfare were inextricably linked. When i say the same thing it's a loony lefty conspiracy. Get your story straight. Are they linked or not? Does the market improve with austerity measures or not? Does the FT prefer immediate austerity measures to improve the market while the public take the burden or an extended stimulus that lessens the public burden but slows market growth? I should imagine they have weighed up the threat of credit rating downgrade against the threat to growth from austerity. I think its probably about time to bring Greece into your argument now, just to keep your level of ignorance topped up

Adjustment for economic growth. As the economy grows (which it did massively under NL), of course we spend more on public services. Inflation is not the same as growth is it? Cant you see that growth was artificially caused by overspending? There fore adjusting for that growth is a totally artificial thing to do. If your quality of life is adjusted by how much you've f**ked onto a credit card the graph would be pretty flat, don't you agree? Marvelous - about 5 minutes in and your comparing one of the biggest economies of the world to somebody using a credit card/ The same principles apply. Every analyst you talk to will tell you the same. Every analyst you talk to. You really are a dope You know what, I cant be bothered.

Adjustment for economic growth. As the economy grows (which it did massively under NL), of course we spend more on public services. Inflation is not the same as growth is it? Cant you see that growth was artificially caused by overspending? There fore adjusting for that growth is a totally artificial thing to do. If your quality of life is adjusted by how much you've f**ked onto a credit card the graph would be pretty flat, don't you agree? Marvelous - about 5 minutes in and your comparing one of the biggest economies of the world to somebody using a credit card/

This overspend has been going on for years. Even in the good times. The public sector was bloated long before the credit crisis. The crisis was no fault of labour, that is clear but the inability to get their house in order during the good times has certainly made the situation much worse for us. The Tories were promising to match Labour spending commitments unitl 2008, you ignorant cockney cunt

So was he any relation to Barry?

take the fking change out of that

Ive only just stating watching this game 5 mins ago-bloody hell!

Ive said it before and I'll say it again Chez4Prez

what the fuck is that about?

What do you reckon Capello did wrong though? He had very limited options in too many areas. Getting rid of the manager is just papering over the cracks imo. I think he might walk anyway like. Exactly. Is a different manager not just going to pick the same old underachievers a Fabio did, as Mclaren did, as Sven did. Surely now it's time for a rethink... Was talking to my friend last night about this and we both think now is a good time to bring in new blood. Personally I cannot stand Gerard, he is far too greedy, playing the whole solo man on a mission role & trying to be a hero and as mentioned earlier does not produce his club form at this level (be that as a result of positioning or the players around him, or he simply isn't good enough) but realistically who have we got coming through in central midfield (that has either the ability or the potential to play at this level)??? It is impossible to create english footballers with a good pitch brain and technical ability (time on the ball) in the PL. End of story. At international level where there is more space and variations of tempo our players look panicked and confused. Capello is a good manager, he has the trophies and track record to prove it. Sacking him is def just papering over the cracks. He might resign anyway, because of the way we went out and performed and if he recognises the longer term problems and figures out he is on a hiding to nothing with the press. He will get another club job. Aye

We played the tournament without the spine of the team. Ferdinand/Barry/Rooney. Without Ferdinand the defence fell apart, Ledley if he had been fit may have helped, but even then your defence needs to have played together and developed some sort of understanding and relationship to stand a chance. Barry when fit and playing well meant that the Gerard'Lampard thing worked. He wasnt match fit he didnt play well, dooming the Gerard Lampard partnership to the old frustrating pattern of failure. Rooney was on the pitch in name only - Hesckey was a reasonable pick, the commonly held beleif was Rooney loved playing off him and the key to Englands success was Rooney having a good tournament. You cant blame Heskey for Rooney being crap, and Heskey at least had an assist for Gerards goal. I had no idea Rooney could actually play so badly and look so disinterested. If those three had been fit and playing on form it may have lifted the rest of the team, and we might have had a decent tournament. As it was they didnt and the rest of them were never going to good enough to succeed without them.

Gerard looked a lot better last year when he was still a Liverpool player

Lampard scoring twenty goals a season says a lot more about the Premier League than it does Lampard. I think the main problem with the England players is that they are thick. they certailny dont have the footballing intelligence to deal with the World Cup. Terry looks great for Chelsea, but compare his football brain to Carvalho - now that man is a footballer. Stevie G (who I hate, but I thought played well enough to avoid the worst of the criticism) is a match winner for Liverpool, when he is playing alongside Alonso Mascherano and Torres. As for Rooney - what the fuck happened there. Great players dominate the biggest tournaments. The jury has been out and has come back. Verdict, not got it at this level.

Soros did an article on Project Syndicate the other day too on this. Some sobering reading on that site - http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentar...ubini26/English Lets just hope George Osbourne actually does have a clue what he is doing.

I think that the lack of idealogical differences is a bit of a myth, and I think it is promoted by the right as cynicism helps undermine"do-gooders" and those with a progressive agenda. Apart from the early par of the New Labour the Tory Party has always been very succesful at defining the language political argument is coached in, which was a big part in the very efficient election winning machine they once were. I'm obviously not claiming New Labour or any of the current candidates has a strong traditional socialist agenda - that idealogical battle is over. The Labour years have brought in the minimum wage, improved funding and improvement to the NHS and education which are far too easy to decry. I am fairly certain the next few years will illustrate the idealogical differences all to clearly -though the Tory Party will be claiming every decision they make is 'unavoidable'. Damn those unavoidable decisions... Pensions increased and index linked Family tax credits up NHS protected from cuts Free cancer drugs fund Capital gains tax increased Bank levy put in place One million lifted out of paying tax Nissan grant Business incentives to open in the regions In just 7 weeks and off the top of my head That's very poor class wummage, even by your standards. You haven't even had the decency to google and paste irrelevant article. I'm hurt

I think the problem is though that whilst Zep are still too many peoples favourite band, which I think leads to a bit of sterility. I also don't really mean you should listen to music to piss your parents off - I just think that music is at its most vibrant when it does rile people up and "scare the grown ups" I pretty much agree with this- I love the way the internet has opened up the way music is heard, and I'm aware how little of it I know. Again this I completely agree with, and to be honest I was trying to provoke a reaction. Your points are valid but I still think a musical revolution is long overdue. I was serious about the drug thing too. From Heroin -Psychadelics -Speed -ecstacy, when a new drug takes off music can really explode. Doesnt always work for he best mind Coke produced apalling boring self indulgent crap. (Mid seventies American rock -christ)

George Soros, who I believe has some sort of track record warning of the dangers of too much austerity http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currenc...-leave-EMU.html Its going to be interesting if the Tory mantra of reassuring the markets changes when the markets decide recession is a comin'

All seems far too safe and adult friendly to me these days. I find the musical scene of today pretty dispiriting, everything seems so middle class. I quite enjoyed the Gorrilaz for example, but it sits a bit uneasy for me when the younguns are listening to middle aged mens music. The last two great youth musical uprisings terrified the grown ups, and thats the way it should be. Punk was powered by speed, Rave by ecstacy - maybe the kids of today need a new drug to kick something into life. To be honest I havent exactly got my finger on the pulse so I could be talking utter shite, however when that recent greatest band ever thing still had everybody bleating on about Led Zeppelin I found it so depressing. We fought the punk rock wars in the 70's to get rid of the same old shite and still it goes on. Kids shouldnt listen to their (grand)parents music -its wrong

I think that the lack of idealogical differences is a bit of a myth, and I think it is promoted by the right as cynicism helps undermine"do-gooders" and those with a progressive agenda. Apart from the early par of the New Labour the Tory Party has always been very succesful at defining the language political argument is coached in, which was a big part in the very efficient election winning machine they once were. I'm obviously not claiming New Labour or any of the current candidates has a strong traditional socialist agenda - that idealogical battle is over. The Labour years have brought in the minimum wage, improved funding and improvement to the NHS and education which are far too easy to decry. I am fairly certain the next few years will illustrate the idealogical differences all to clearly -though the Tory Party will be claiming every decision they make is 'unavoidable'.