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worse than the scousers tbh

more shame than you probably Definition of Shame "Theres no money left" --- Liam Byrne, Labour Treasury Minister --- 17th May 2010 Definition of Tory. No sense of humour

Absolutely the wrong thing to do. That money could hardly be better directed. Disgusting. Anyone remember what school dinners were like under Thatcher? Wummery at its best Gentlemen, well done Not wummery at all. Certainly not on my part. My brother is a low income, stay at home, single father of an under five year old without IS or JSA. This is going to cost him a bomb. Does he not fit into this bit then? Jolly well done CT. I dont see any way HF can defeat your argument there

I heard Bridgit bigged up on 5live for her performance at PMQs today. I wonder if I should have a cheeky tenner on her to be next but one leader of the Labour Party

Of course Joe Public himself has to shoulder some blame for revelling in the credit provided by that deregulation. As I've said before if Brown had at any time said "I'm going to massively limit personal credit and lending" he would have been crucified. Thats the difference between strong rulers and weak ones. I was talking to one of my daughters about this sort of thing recently and explained that less than 20 years ago, if I went overdrawn (a common occurence), my presence was requested at the bank for a very tough talking too, an explaination and a promise to bank more responsibly. A loan was not easy to get. Compare that with two years ago when I could happily sit at my computer and get loans of upto 30,000 with 2 minutes typing. No checks, nothing. I hope controls are brought in so that consumer credit does become a lot harder to get, permanently. Lets be honest the global corporations and the banks, not forgetting the all important markets have got so much power these days that any government is fairly limited in what they can do

Getting taxi drivers to declare their earnings would be good n'arl. I think the likes of BP and big business would be on the radar, before your average taxi driver, window cleaner or gardener allegedly pocketing a few tips etc. Deck out the bunting I agree with CT. Well nearly anyway. If we are all in it together, Mr Osborne, lets see the superrich paying a healthy chunk of tax for the next couple of years. And lets tax the fuck out of the banks

Is this really a loophole though - I am pretty certain this is already illegal. Sounds like one of those things that is really cost inneficient to pursue aswell.

This was really gets on my wick about the "new politics" they keep claiming. No acknowledgement of the problems caused by the banks, and the global recession that followed. Not only that they have "ring fenced" education and the "nhs" -so how can that be claimed to be irresponsible. I would also like to hear CT's response to Rentons question about the Osborne/Cameron response to the sub-prime crisis for your last point see above. With regard to the banks bit your wasting your time. Every newly elected government blames the last government for everything including the weather. That's just politics I'm afraid. It's like labour blames everything to do with manufacturing decline on Thatcher and not the fact that countries like china could build ships for a tenth of the price of the Uk. With regard to the ringfencing, it is only frontline jobs they have said will be ringfenced in nhs and education, it is the middle managers they are going for. This is why I get a little peeved that Labour and to a lesser extent the other two, didn't get into this before the election. If they had then voters would have had a selection of cuts to vote for. Having said that they would probably roughly be going for the same areas. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/20...chancellor.html

This was really gets on my wick about the "new politics" they keep claiming. No acknowledgement of the problems caused by the banks, and the global recession that followed. Not only that they have "ring fenced" education and the "nhs" -so how can that be claimed to be irresponsible. I would also like to hear CT's response to Rentons question about the Osborne/Cameron response to the sub-prime crisis (edit now i have)

cheese face and crackers

Not for bloody long I bet!

Thats the sort of clear blue sky thinking that wins my confidence CT should send him his Terrence the Tory story for him to use.

please feel free to merge into another thread. Wasn't sure if it was a better fit for the Politics or Israel thread or neither. Not to mention global warming leading to mass flooding/drinking water shortages and the mass emigration that will lead to. We're doomed

Thats the sort of clear blue sky thinking that wins my confidence

The point is we are being force fed the lie there is no alternative, when there plainly is. You might beleive it is the best way, and as a Tory you obviously do, thats fair enough. It doesn't make it necessarily correct though No it isn't guarenteed - citing it ignores the global financial situation as mentioned ad nauseum in this thread. If it was guarenteed there might have been a mention of it before this weekend. That I can agree with - not exactly happily though

Krugman railing against austerity again today.... http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/0...n-in-authority/ He'd earlier noted... http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/0...e-here-we-come/ But what about the evidence of the canadian model -surely irrefutable

Those fucking Vuvuzelas are going to ruin this World Cup

Im citing it because it worked. duh! as for 'wanting' something that'll take longer and cause more hardship, thats nonsense. nobody wants it least of all me (or even those making the decisions) but imo (and those making the decision) its necessary as its been proven to work unlike your fancy dan plan to spend more in the hope that'll it'll drag us out of depression/recession. what happens if it doesnt actually drag us out of recession hmmmm? more debt - more shit Quite frankly the last govs financial planning was a shambles so i would have no truck with the figures they trotted out to support such an argument.

Im citing it because it worked. duh! as for 'wanting' something that'll take longer and cause more hardship, thats nonsense. nobody wants it least of all me (or even those making the decisions) but imo (and those making the decision) its necessary as its been proven to work unlike your fancy dan plan to spend more in the hope that'll it'll drag us out of depression/recession. what happens if it doesnt actually drag us out of recession hmmmm? more debt - more shit Quite frankly the last govs financial planning was a shambles so i would have no truck with the figures they trotted out to support such an argument. lol@ my fancy dan plan. Nobody is suggesting sponding more you muppet. If we freeze spending and grow the economy at 2 -2.5% a year the defecit would be paid off in 5 years. Also a minor point but the economy is actually growing already -it wont be for much longer mind.

ruh roh

To put it another way, if the typical household outspent its means like the government's doing, it would be spending more than £26,800 with an income of £20,500. A hard one to debate on the bat phone in the car without figures, but I guess that's a comparison to the budget defecit and not the debt so in reality it's a loan to keep up on a loan. Your family has already raked up thousansd worth of debt and now can't keep up with the payments or the food shopping so is going to billy the loan shark for an extra 7,000 a year to try and keep up. All the while your familys breadwinner is Hoping his ship is going to come in and that big promotion is around the corner. A few years down the line his ship hasn't docked, his debt has kept on growing horifically, he's now paying really sill interest rates and Billy the loan shark wants his money back. No one else will lend him anything, he loses his teeth, his wife, his kids and ends up supping cider at mill dam...... If only he listened to his neighbour, Terrence the Tory and cut his spending habits back in the day! I prefer it when you cut and paste from google

To put it another way, if the typical household outspent its means like the government's doing, it would be spending more than £26,800 with an income of £20,500. What if the 27k was spent on a life saving operation? That was supposed to counter CT, not support him. AFAIC borrowing £6k in a year on a £20k income isn't particularly unmanageable once you bounce out of recession....that's the ONLY way to recover.....the problem is deep cuts are going to prolong the recession and fuck us all over. This this, fucking this. I honestly don't think they have a clue what they are doing, and I don't think they care. They were horribly wrong about how to deal with the sub prime crisis, and I honestly am terrified about the damage they are about to cause now. i disagree. you are coming from the perspective that increased spending will actually bring us out of recession when there is no absolute guarantee that it will. however, cutting costs now WILL WORK. it'll take longer and cause more hardship but as evidenced by the canadian model it will work. either way, we're all in the shit! I didnt say increased spending will bring us out of recession, I agreed that deep cuts would plunge us back into recesiion. You however said that cutting costs WILL WORK and used capitals, so you must be right. I am also confused by why you would want a solution that Love the way you are citing the Canadian model

To put it another way, if the typical household outspent its means like the government's doing, it would be spending more than £26,800 with an income of £20,500. What if the 27k was spent on a life saving operation? That was supposed to counter CT, not support him. AFAIC borrowing £6k in a year on a £20k income isn't particularly unmanageable once you bounce out of recession....that's the ONLY way to recover.....the problem is deep cuts are going to prolong the recession and fuck us all over. This this, fucking this. I honestly don't think they have a clue what they are doing, and I don't think they care. They were horribly wrong about how to deal with the sub prime crisis, and I honestly am terrified about the damage they are about to cause now.

rip

deserves it as damn sight more than that evil bigot paisley