Papa Lazaru

I don't think managers do get put off by the sackings of predecessors. They all know how the business works. You don't get the results and you are out. If Newcastle started sacking manager's for not changing their underpants it might become a problem. But sacking a manager for being unsuccessful is normal. Manager's are only scared off if they don't think they can handle the task. Good post. Ultimately no matter how much it may look like we sack managers to quickly, any decent and confident manager will back himself to be the oen who sorts it out and will probably look at the results under Souness and think "I'd have sacked the fucker myself anyway!" Take somebody like Mourinho, he wouldn't give a shit if a club had been sackign a manager every week, he'd walk in, tell them he is the best and turn their club round! Obviously there isn't many like him about, but there are good managers who won't be scared of Freddie Shepherd.

It was good that he bowed out having helped keep Everton out of the CL, he was always good for football and keeping them out the CL is good for football, so he ended in style

Papa, I've just made the point in the other thread - "anything else" is not what we need. We need lengthy enquiries and discussions about who the right man is, and then we need to target them over a period of time and make sure we have a shortlist of one or two, not five or six. I don't believe that can be done in the middle of a season. Robson was a one-off - a local that wanted to manage us. "Anything else" is short termist and will land us in even worse shit when we're having to make another change a year or 18 months down the line. We need a long term plan that sets us on the right tracks over a period of time, not a short term fix that appeases the fans for a little while.. 21190[/snapback] I do know what you're saying, i just want this one man disaster away from my club before he can really finish the wreckign job he started. Its far from ideal to be dumping yet another manager at this time, but there are better managers out there and if Fred had the brains he'd be out there now sounding out their agents so that they are in place when he gives Souness the boot. People forget we aren't too good to be relegated, and even though i have said we won't be and for now still don't think we will be...what if it goes on like this, a combination of shite tactics, injuries, bad luck and refreeing but ultimately we don't move out the bottom 3 and by the time he is sacked its too late for the new bloke???

Titus was playing well before Boum, they just really gelled as a combiantion and Bramble stepped up another level, but he was ready to do that anyway, though i do think Boum played a part. Taylor was ready no matter who is partner is as he is class and has shown that whenever he plays, but again i don't doubt Boom is a decent partner for taylor to be alongside.

We got Bobby Robson mid season And anyway the question for you is: Do we: 1. Continue with a man who is systematically runing our club and who we could not possibly do worse than or 2. Give anything else a try as it would be a step up no matter how small, and there would be a hell of a lot of the seaosn left for somebody to turn it round, rather than wait till its too late to turn it round

I own nearly all of them but whilst i'm glad Deep Purple are in there i would have expected it to be Machine Head not, In Rock.

I honestly do find it hard to consider the likes of Heinze and Ronaldo as "men". A pathetic pair of arseholes. 21079[/snapback] Much though football will remain rightly as the no.1 sport i find it embrassing to compare some of the wankers, cheats, divers and inujury feigning fuckwitts in this sport with players of most other sports. In rigby if anybody even dares to come close to feignign injury their own team mates would batter them never mind the opposition, in hockey peopel get twatted with wooden sticks in the head and play on. In cricket imagine a batsman being hit by a bouncer and then hitting the deck and rolling around like a tart, it just wouldn't happen. Football is a great sport, but some of the "men" who play it are a embrassing little fuckwitts who woudl shame every other sport in the land. 21089[/snapback] This post has given me a desperate desire to see Cristiano Ronaldo padded up facing a 90 mph bouncer from Harmison that's heading straight for his face. At least it might save him squeezing his spots that day. 21120[/snapback] I always used to say any players who feigned injuries and dived alot should eb made to play a game of rugby union where they'd have the likes of Martin Johnson and Danny Grewcock knocking seven shades of shit out of them to teach them a lesson, but now i'd add that they also have to face a Harmison and Lee bouncing the living shit out of them as well.

Agree. Coming from spanish footy to the prem, with no pre season or practically any training with his new team he gets thrown into his debut straight away, against one of the top teams in the prem, whilst we are in the middleof a crisis and playing shite and having little or no help in attack because of our manager/formation, the injuries etc. And people think you can judge him on this??? You don't judge any player after one game, some players do little for a season before becoming great players (Henry, Pires etc at arsenal being the best examples)

I suppose the plus point is if he's over here and talking to both and Liverpool can't agree a deal he may just decide, sod it i may as well go to Newcastle after all!!!

I honestly do find it hard to consider the likes of Heinze and Ronaldo as "men". A pathetic pair of arseholes. 21079[/snapback] Much though football will remain rightly as the no.1 sport i find it embrassing to compare some of the wankers, cheats, divers and inujury feigning fuckwitts in this sport with players of most other sports. In rigby if anybody even dares to come close to feignign injury their own team mates would batter them never mind the opposition, in hockey peopel get twatted with wooden sticks in the head and play on. In cricket imagine a batsman being hit by a bouncer and then hitting the deck and rolling around like a tart, it just wouldn't happen. Football is a great sport, but some of the "men" who play it are a embrassing little fuckwitts who woudl shame every other sport in the land.

I've had a go at Rooney as much as anybody and will continue to as he's a prick, but i actually agree with him on this one! I have no problem at all with somebody saying Fucking get in when they score, i would do! The problem is when they swear and abuse refs contiually and aren't punished. However making the sign at the fans is something players away from manu and arsenal would be punsihed for and that he shouldn't get away with.

you think RVN dived for a penalty? sorry, not this time, we were lucky not to concede a pen. Heinze = Woman. 21072[/snapback] I don't know about the pen, haven't seen a replay, but he dived at some point in the game away from the box and as usual managed his usual collection of snidy little kicks at defenders behind the refs back and he caught Boumsong in the face which i saw from up in the stands but the officials missed.

Playing Emre and Dyer was a disgrace which will cost us the two players (and two vital players) for god knows how long. And when a bloke near me excused souness and said he had no choice but to play them i wanted to smack him one but settled for telling him he was talking bollocks. I pointed out that whether you need them or not, to play them when clearly not fit or on their way back from injuries and with both having a history of injuries AND hamstring injuries being nortorious for repeated strains you do not under any circumstances rush them back. I then pointed out the other reason he selfishly rushed them back to try and save his arese was because he had left us with no fucking squad by falling out with and kicking out players he shouldn't have leaving us without enough options. Every game they now miss is down to the being rushed back so he will be talking bollocks if he uses their injuries as an excuse for any future defeats.

The criticism from people is aimed at the fact Souness is like a little child who has seen the likes of Chelsea, Everton et al playing different formations on tv and so he decides to do the same but actually as know fuckign understanding whatsoever of what he is doing. And so his players have no ida either and we end up playing something that is neither 4-3-3, 4-5-1 or any other combination you care to choose and we become a mess. He also is stupid enough to use formations (or as close to a formation as he gets), tactics and line ups that are a waste of time if you are playing Shearer, making him and us worse. Teams like Charlton and Everton have intelligent, organised managers with distinct gameplans and tactitcs and who get the very bets out of their players. We invariably have better squads than these teams but are managed by a dick who gets the very worst out of his players by turning them into a mess.

Manu were a team full of diving cheats, they should have been embrassed with that performance. It wasn't just Ronaldo and Ruud, Heinze spent more time on his arse than his feet, and more than one of their players (including Rooney and i think Silvestre) were on the ground with imaginary facial injuries tryig to get the likes of Shearer in trouble. They were an embrassment to the premiership if they are one of our leading teams.

He isn't a footballer and that worries me! He hasn't got the control, passing and skills that are required at premiership level so he constantly loses us possession. Then the job he's supposed to do, protect the back four, he doesn't even do that as he doesn't tackle that well, is often seen chasing somebody he's lost only to pull pr trip them and concede yet another stupid freekick!

Two lovely confessions!!! I use my viberator in my cat's ass. I don't recomend it...at least get them de-clawed first, but boy is it funny. i fantasise about licking the ooze between my 79 year old drama teachers fat layers Where do they find these people!

I know what you mean, Hoggard has shown he can stick about for a while and let a Pieteresen or Flintoff get some runs. I'd just like a look at Jones for a few tests to see if he can get the runs and become a valuable tail end batsman.

15 for me too!

If you take out Flintoff's early time for England (when he was finding his feet and learning some harsh lessons) his batting average is very impressive for a no.6 batsmen at least, and he is worth his place there even if he couldn't bowl. But i do agree about Jones, he's a clean striker of the ball and looks capable of getting the odd 30 here and there if given a chance, i'd definitely have him at 9.

I went once as a kid, not my sort of thing and never went again, and never will!

"Shit, thats glue i've put on my hand not water!"

I don't get spitting at all? The lesbian thing, from a point of view of watching porn or sex/kissing scenes on tv/film? Well most men like watching that sort of stuff so its better to watch two people you fancy having sex than a woman and some hairy arsed bloke going at it And its a bit different and more exciting i suppose!

I think Shephard would agree to that, say if we don't win a trophy or don't qualify for Europe then we'll let him leave for the same as we paid for him 20362[/snapback] That would actually be fair enough! We can't be losing money on him, but if we didn't finish high enough in the league he could leave for what we paid! Its a hard one to know what Owen is going to do. He clearly wants to play regularly and is happy to come back to the premier, but he really isn't desperate to join an NUFC that looks a bit of a mess, and its easy to agree with him. We can just hope that Liverpool can't afford it, and that Owen decides he has to play regular football and that if nothing else he'll be a toon legend if he scores like we know he can.

Yeah, just wondering if it was confirmed as definite!