Papa Lazaru

"Don't get" is a strange term anyway. If you consider yourself intelligent and knowledgeable in music you aren't going to really think there is any music you don't get. You will think there is music that is just shite, that you are quite right to say its shite and that the only thing you don't get is how people can be stupid enough to like it! And i admit thats how i think. Theres nothing about dance music i don't get because theres nothing you couldn't understand about it, i just don't get how a sane, sober person not on drugs can enjoy listening to it. With music as mentioned earlier like Pink Floyd i can see how the term "not getting it" comes in. Because there are plenty of people out there who just don't get long songs, don't get instrumentals or long parts of songs being instrumental and wouldn't get their lyrics and concepts. Also hip hop i can totally understand how some people hate it because they just plain don't like rapping as a vocal style and find alot of it offensive, yet i am a fan of it.

It is a strange one, that he would have talks with Liverpool if they aren't going to offer enough for Madrid to accept?

Sadly true, we'll wreck his hamstrings as soon as possible to get him up to speed with the rest of them!

Makes for far better arguments when you push somebody's buttons Of course after we argue the relative skills, technique, creativity and artistry involved between producing instrument based music versus computer/technology based music, we will reach the next stage: That the stuff produced by these programmers/musicians is not and never will be anywhere near as good as rock/blues/soul/metal/prog/add your own music no matter how much skill they required to produce it. Of course the above point can only ever be classed as being my opinion, but thats an opinion i both respect and admire

Depends on which group/artist it is really, but within gangsta rap there is going to be a lot of the same stuff repeated lyrically from song to song and some of it isn't clever at all. Ironically i like it musically but don't care for the lyrics myself as some of them are basically just saying what wankers they were/are and how proud of that fact they seem to be. But even the archetypical gangsta rap group, NWA had the odd song (well one at least) with no swearing or mention of ho's and the like!

Theres also the fact that Alan Murray in the chronicle has admitted in his own words that Souness took a "calculated gamble" that didn't come off. This means they knew there was a chance they would breakdown but played them anyway.

Yes, if he did sign for us they would still maintain they'd been right all along until the last second when he went back on everythign he'd ever said, or soem load of shite. I remember at the time of the Shearer thing Paul Ince was at Inter but did an article in the press. And he was goign on about how great a signign it was for manu and how in one go they'd destroyed all their rivals and made themsleves practically invincible, and as you can guess this was before he'd signed for anybody. But it was typical of the arrogant self obssessed wankers created by spedning anytime at Old Trafford and also reflected the biassed arseholes int he media who lapped it all up. Needless to say when we signed him i don't recalle hearing any embrassing retractions from those in question, bunch of arseholes.

This comment, along with his track record, reflects exactly the type of manager a club like us needs to get in. It's what it's all about and seperates the men from the boys. 22010[/snapback] Correct, all around europe there have been and will continue to be players and peopel who are far harder than Bellamy and Robert to handle. Some managers are up to the task, manage them well, get the best out of them on the pitch where it counts and don't act like a combination of a 6 year old child and a wannabe hardman.

Not the whole electronic field, just the dance part of it! Plenty of groups who were classed as using electronics or techonology but who also wrote songs/melodies/tunes etc. and played instruments. But obviously what you see as good i don't. It may take skill (i'll give some of them that) but alot of that stuff makes them computer programmers not musicians. And if they played the guitar themselves then fair play to them. I'm far less likely to knock people for using a bit of technolgy when they also can play instrument and actually write their own stuff as well.

Don't forget the other stat that under Souness we have NEVER come backf rom behind in the prem to win a game. Yet according to him he sorted out the team spirit and morale and dumped the trouble makers and cancers from the club. Well Graeme i think you'll find the best example of team spirit is shown in adversity and thats when SBR team used to show its strength, comig back time and again from behind, you know with players like Robert, Bellamy and the like. Its incredibly depressing to be a toon fan knowing that if the other team takes the lead we will not win that game.

Depends who's being sampled I guess. AC/DC can refuse the Beastie Boys permission to sample one of their songs because they've sold enough records already but Bessie Smith (or her offspring) make more from a Moby remix than they ever got from original album sales. So who's doing who the favour? I'd rather hear a DJ remix of a good song than Will Young sing an old one exactly the same as it was first released, and he earns far more than a remix DJ. I think The Chemical Brothers use relatively few samples on their later albums. 22000[/snapback] I agree it often works out well for the original artist and that the artists in question will have no problem with it, certainly not as much as i do And i agree with you i'm sick of hearing crappy pop groups and singers doing karaoke versions of good (and indeed bad) old songs and offering nothing new whatsoever but making it worse.

Not my choice of music to listen to but like you say he can play instruments which you can't knock. Obviously as i don't listen to his albums/live performances i don't know how much he balances using samples of other peoples music (like that old blues sample sung by a woman) against what he writes/creates/plays himself. And to be honest i am aware there is a certain "talent" in picking the right thing to sample at the right time and fiddling with it, but its not the same as the talent to write the thing in the first place.

Not that i give a toss about the other NE teams like, but its lookign bad for the region this yera in the prem. The smogs are never as good as they think they are and could miss out on qualifying for europe this year. We're a mess being destroyed by the idiot in charge and the mackems are plain and simply crap.

10% I think.... 21973[/snapback] I'd forgotten/didn't know about that! Then again its the sort of thing any sensible club puts in when you sell a younger player, and something of course that we will hardly ever do! I bet Ambrose doesn't have one, he may not go on to be sold for millions, but theres always a chance and it should be thought of.

People were similarly disgusted when Bob Dylan plugged his guitar in, had to be acoustic apparently. 21952[/snapback] Indeed they were, but that was people being incredibly snobby or up themselves that you couldn't use electric instruments, missing the fact that you can be just as creative and skillfull on either electric or acoustic. 21967[/snapback] Ah, so you have no problem with people using computers to make music, just sampling other music. Sorry I misunderstood. It pisses me off that Jason Nivens puts a beat under a Run DMC track and gets the biggest hit of the year. Then again, it pissed Jason Nivens off that he hardly made a penny and Run DMC increased sales massively off the back of his remix. 21981[/snapback] think he got about 10 grand for it 21986[/snapback] Yeah i remember it beign soemthign like that. And i actually think thats more than generous as a one of commision if you like. Bacially what he did was take their song, lyrics, performance and effort and messed about with it a bit, i think £10,000 is more than generous.

What's wrong with using machines? You've clearly decided that there is no skill if some kind of signal processing is required. What about guitar effects pedals? Delay effects, harmony pedals and the like? I'd say programming a synth (especially FM-synthesis) to produce a certain sound, especially one that is distinctive is a damn sight harder than coming up with a catchy riff. 21984[/snapback] Well the guitar effects you have mentioned means they would be able to do all that on top of playing the instrument itself and having created and perfected the riffs, guitar breaks and solos in their music. To be honest i prefer musicians over computer programmers in the field of music, just as i want my PC games worked on by programmers and not Ritchie Blackmore and Slash

People were similarly disgusted when Bob Dylan plugged his guitar in, had to be acoustic apparently. 21952[/snapback] Indeed they were, but that was people being incredibly snobby or up themselves that you couldn't use electric instruments, missing the fact that you can be just as creative and skillfull on either electric or acoustic. 21967[/snapback] Ah, so you have no problem with people using computers to make music, just sampling other music. Sorry I misunderstood. It pisses me off that Jason Nivens puts a beat under a Run DMC track and gets the biggest hit of the year. Then again, it pissed Jason Nivens off that he hardly made a penny and Run DMC increased sales massively off the back of his remix. 21981[/snapback] I saw an interview with him ages ago and he was really bitter about it! Personally i didn't care, like any DJ he can't exist without the talent and creativity of musicians, they can exist without him. So no matter how many records he may have helped them shift, its tough, if he wants credit and money go and worte a song and play it yourself!

errr...if we had kept Bellamy, we probably wouldn't be 2nd bottom of the league... nor would we be in a position of spending millions of pounds to replace him [that we might not have] and could use the money to replace Alan Shearer instead.... 21943[/snapback] Theres also the fact that Bellamy and Owen would be our first choice strike partnership under any manger with half a brain, and i would hate to be a defender havign to cope with stopping both of them! 21961[/snapback] They'd be alright as long as the ball wasn't in the air. 21963[/snapback] And thats the way we all like our footy played, on the ground! Anyway i've always been impressed with how often Owen scores with headers considering his height.

People were similarly disgusted when Bob Dylan plugged his guitar in, had to be acoustic apparently. 21952[/snapback] Indeed they were, but that was people being incredibly snobby or up themselves that you couldn't use electric instruments, missing the fact that you can be just as creative and skillfull on either electric or acoustic.

errr...if we had kept Bellamy, we probably wouldn't be 2nd bottom of the league... nor would we be in a position of spending millions of pounds to replace him [that we might not have] and could use the money to replace Alan Shearer instead.... 21943[/snapback] Theres also the fact that Bellamy and Owen would be our first choice strike partnership under any manger with half a brain, and i would hate to be a defender havign to cope with stopping both of them!

I've said that for ages. Fergie is a top manager, he is not (and he knows it) a top class coach. So he always makes sure he has one and you can guarentee the times when they have failed to win anythign are when he has got rid of the coach (or they chose to leave) and things pick up when he gets the new one in. Whereas at NUFC we seem to think any old fucker can be a coach and that having any talent or skill at the job is irrellivent compared to knowing the manager.

Goes for me too. If people are on a night out in a club and either pissed or off their heads on drugs i'm sure there is some appeal/purpose to dance music. But i cannot ever understand how anybody could listen at home to that stuff when stone cold sober! And i'm well aware that "dance" is a term that covers a whole range of sub genres which are often nothing like each other, but i find them all shite, just to varying degrees of how offensively bad they are. Whats worse is how little talent some of it requires, press a few buttons, repeat stuff a load of others have done in that genre before and write lyrics a 5 year old could manage. And for the ones often in the charts theres always the option of taking an old/older song and ruining it by turning it into a shitty dance track. 21848[/snapback] If you're chucking the likes of The Chemical Brothers and Daft Punk into that press a few buttons and 5 year olds lyrics you're totally ignorant tbh. 21891[/snapback] Fortunately i couldn't give a toss if you think i'm "totally ignorant" or not, i've heard plenty of chemical brothers songs and at no point did i hear the lyrics and think i was in the presence of linguistic genius. And ironically i don't think the chemical brothers are anywhere near as bad as some dance music. People can go on about how long it takes to produce all they like, i prefer the talent and skill of people playing actual instruments, creating everything themselves (because the chemical brothers themselves have happilly admitted to ripping music from other sources) and not relying on machines and technology to do everything for them.

There are no players existing who are made to play in our formation, because its the work of a clueless idiot who has no concept of what the fuck he is doing and is just vaguely making a stab at something he's seen on tv once or twice!!!

Come on now lets be fair, he's probably already done the handjob thing for smack already!

I still think it should have moved onto taking them out, that would have been a challenge!!!