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Frankly I'm amazed there are any managers (with any reputation) mad enough to go near it. Although the only British ones I guess would be Allardyce and Curbishly, both I guess ruled out for obvious reasons. Well they aren't in the fucking running then, are they? It's his birthday man, let him crack on..

I miss T-Keith

Yes he did fall down without being touched it was however a free kick without question, and to a certain extent we should be proud of our stern upper lip fair play ethos we've had for 100 years. Apart from the British and Irish countries, they're all fucking cheats, there was no cheating (or very little) before the foreign influx in the 90s, so I think by not cheating because of our attitude we're at a disadvantage before a ball is kicked. Play the foreign cunts at their own game that's what I say. Your arse must knack from sitting on the fence all the time Stevie.

While my Guitierrez gently weeps.

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Happy Magic Birthday Alex!

Any chance you could lend us £50 marra? This lass seems to have a threshold.

Some sort of smear campaign?

Is that for me? You paranoid or what?

Super Mario?

I love the mix of people taking the piss, people making a point, people taking the piss while making a point, people taking the point while making the piss and people hedging their bets either way, on this board.

Not as long as you agree there's plenty of black hounds too. I met someone who had a black labrador called Leroy once. Not sure about that like. Better than that bloke out the Dambusters' dog I suppose. A family friend had a black labrador in the late seventies called Nigger. I am not joking. Lovely dog mind, very well mannered. Must have been fun shouting for him in the park. It was in North Shields like, used to get a round of applause.

Not as long as you agree there's plenty of black hounds too. I met someone who had a black labrador called Leroy once. Not sure about that like. Better than that bloke out the Dambusters' dog I suppose. A family friend had a black labrador in the late seventies called Nigger. I am not joking. Lovely dog mind, very well mannered.

Aye, there's something to all that, I agree. Mind, Steve McLaren and Big Sam were the front runners last time out. Well they're just feckless, and there's no excusing that. I just meant that a foreign coach was the best option, given the alternatives. yeah, further evidence of the state of the english game. Which came first the foreign players or the foreign coaches? Rhetorical obviously. It's a mess really, I only envisage further English decline. But the point is, I think, critical. Pride and passion are missing more than anything else. How the hell is a foreign coach going to instill that? Basically England has exactly the same problem as Newcastle, we need an inspirational manager who understands the team and the fans and the significance.....except at Newcastle our apathy has yet to kick in.

Aye, there's something to all that, I agree. Mind, Steve McLaren and Big Sam were the front runners last time out. Well they're just feckless, and there's no excusing that.

English people have little solid identity anyway, which dilutes pride/patriotism. Add in a sprinkling of second generation immigrants who have suffered racism at the hands of indigenous english, thus being alienated, and you have a team, and a nation, which does not feel especially great about itself. Lead them with a foreign coach/prime minister, that's BOUND to work.

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You say that but England has (arguably) two of the best central midfielders in the world, two top class strikers, Two top class centre halves, at least one left back of genuine quality. That's a very strong spine. Gerrard and Lampard, Rooney and Owen, Terry and Ferdinand and Ashley Cole. Now with a team with that spine, there should have been some performances of note, but there really hasn't been one that leaps out. With the likes of Young, J.Cole, Richards, Barry, Defoe, Agbonlahor on the periphery England should do a lot better than it does, in friendlies and in competitions. I disagree Fish, if you're talking about 'top class' I think that needs a bit of clarification and doesn't neccessarily close analysis. Two top centre-halves - yes. But that won't win you stuff on its own. Two top central midfielders - if you're on about Lampard and Gerrard you could argue one of England's major problems is their similarity and the way in which both of them have been accomodated. This has probably had a greater impact on Gerrard (who is probably the more gifted player for me) because he's been moved about because of his versatility. Basically, they don't seem to be able to play together. Moving on to the strikers I assume you mean Owen and Rooney. If both were at their best I'm not sure they would be that complimentary as a partnership. However Owen, good player that he is, is a shadow of his former self and even if recent times when he's scored a few he doesn't look particularly good against the better teams. Fair enough, he needs service, but it's also worth noting he looked better in a more withdrawn role last season, something Rooney is better at and so are, arguably Joe Cole and Crouch. I assume the left-back you're on about is Ashley Cole and, frankly, I don't think he's been the same player since he went to Chelsea. He's still a good player though. The fringe players you talk about are good players but they aren't that special. Another problem is a chronic lack of pace in the side. Playing the likes of Walcott and Downing may have eased this problem I suppose in the last game. Not sure the latter is good enough or the former is ready though. England's problem is we're shit at paragraphs penallties.

best England performance I have seen in ages involved Angus Deaton and Craig David. Nuff said.