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Well you can't read then because I did, some pages back, not that it has any relevance at all. You have never answered my question, i.e. where's the money come from. I'm not blindly hating, I'm posting information and facts from a totally independant and qualified source. I'm done with your circular and ridiculous arguments Leazes, I posted the information for someone else, you wouldn't even read the link because there's some harsh truths in it for you. Don't bother quoting this with any follow p comment because I won't reply, there is no point making hand signals to the blind.

His latest "look" is at Sunlun, that's a canny read as well

I have literally no defence. What I meant to say was that I don't think the positions are going to change much between now and the end of the season. Bar the bottom five, who will jostle and swap positions like they're playing musical chairs. Liverpool will drop significantly, they really are not very good and the Dalglish boost looks spent. I fucking hope so, anyway !! you mean the 2nd biggest club in the country ? Thats some decline Their trophy signing will be back soon though, and they will finish above us. Yes, I believe Liverpool are "in decline", hopefully a long one.

obsessed. And I'm right. You'll see. The occurrence of which future event/events would prove you 'right'? om fucking god Answer him then I could dig up his old posts, and the idiot knows it. As it bothers you a lot, you look. I'm right already, many times over. Mike Ashley is a cunt. He will never match the halls and Shepherd. Aston Villas "plan" won't match the "planless" Halls and Shepherd. It could be years before someone else equals those champions league and european qualifications. The club is in decline. Mike Ashleys limit of ambition is to survive in the premiership at minimal expenditure and hope to make small profits. He will sell our best players if it needs to be done to achieve this goal. blah blah blah blah....... Oh, I'm also right that he is obsessed, in fact massively obsessed, because he knows he's spouted shit and hasn't got the bottle to admit it. Anyway, I'm can't be arsed bickering with you. Bookmark this thread. Should make interesting reading in the future. So you can't answer him then, is what you're saying He never does

At least spell it right !!! Blimey

I have literally no defence. What I meant to say was that I don't think the positions are going to change much between now and the end of the season. Bar the bottom five, who will jostle and swap positions like they're playing musical chairs. Liverpool will drop significantly, they really are not very good and the Dalglish boost looks spent. I fucking hope so, anyway !! The return of a certain striker should aid their bid. Watching the game Sunday it shocked me how utter shit Suarez was at making runs and movement. I have a feeling he'll be another morientes but more skillfull. Whenever that may be.

I have literally no defence. What I meant to say was that I don't think the positions are going to change much between now and the end of the season. Bar the bottom five, who will jostle and swap positions like they're playing musical chairs. Liverpool will drop significantly, they really are not very good and the Dalglish boost looks spent. I fucking hope so, anyway !!

Absolutely. Up until last year, there was on old couple used to sit in front of me. If I ever got animated I used to try and keep the swearing down a bit, as on the odd occasion I went too far I'd normally get a clip off the old woman. Anyway, in that game a couple of seasons ago when Martins picked that bird up and took it off the pitch, she spins round, casual as fuck, and announces loudly: 'That's brilliant, isn't it? He's picked that skill up from years of having to chase his dinner about in the sand.' Everyone around us chuckled, possibly in disbelief. Then nothing else was said. Not sure what the reaction would have been if that had been a young lad after a few pints that had said that, mind. Silly old cow. It would have been a Jungle !!!! that's a joke btw

Good point

I would interpret his limited ambition to be due to the fact that he’s in for over £100mill – all his own fault admittedly. Of course the club “should” have built on it, but they didn’t. BUT to say because they didn’t build on it means it was worth nowt is ludicrous, it was the last major thing we won, so to me it was the highest of the high anytime since, the game is about winning stuff after all. First Bolded bit, no I can’t say for certain BUT based upon the way the world has turned I cannot conceive of where they could have got the money from, they certainly didn’t have it themselves. Second bolded bit – KK said he’d have sold him, anyway how many times has he played since ???? Oh bloody hell man, it’s a label, you and me both know I mean the “regime” FFS was the face/embodiment of said regime. Sadly success begets “bigness” within the game. We didn’t get the success of winning despite the “whiff” of it and despite the if’s and if only’s, by any measure you want to use Liverpool have been and are still considered a bigger club than us. Any player given a fair choice with all things being equal would choose them over us just now (and for some time past) Very sad but true. I am fully aware that NUFC is a massive club in any measure in all but the one that counts and that’s winning stuff, sadly clubs we could overtake in the “bigness” stakes have won lots of stuff and as such are considered bigger. Especially now as qualifying for the Champions league and it’s money are the new “winning things”, we missed that financial boat (or rather fell out of it). As for my “support” – not that it’s relevant, some years all home games 70’s mainly and 80’s never religiously, some years half a dozen games maybe, since first game in 1969, I only ever had a season ticket after KK came back as a manager because the Mrs bought me it because she was pissed off how early I had to leave the house to get into the ground to “pay on the gate”. Plenty of gaps in attendance due to work and I’ve seen days when me and my mates tossed a coin on whether to go in or go to the pub, the game lost sometimes. Not my be all and end all by any stretch. No they’re not cherry picking because they actually won stuff for heavens sake which added to their reputation and expectation, the winning of LOTS of stuff also created their “bigness”. Just look at the size of the sponsorship deals the buggers get, 2nd only to Man U. I really can’t get that emotional about it all to “hate” anyone, there’s a lot more to life than football to be honest, and I’ve felt that way for many years.

I have no "irrational hatred" and I certainly don't cherry pick, I'm talking about the trends evidenced by what I saw in the last several years of the previous ownership and the facts that have since emerged. At that time, did I think Shepherd (the face of the organisation) should bugger off, absolutely, was I worried about administration etc. at that time, as you keep saying I was, no I didn't even consider it a possibility BUT the books have shown we were in fact in deep financial shit, that's another fact, not cherry picking. Do I think Ashley is great, not in the slightest. BUT you cannot fully judge his tenure yet, time may prove he was the biggest disaster to hit NUFC in history, the current signs (despite his multitude of horrendous gaffes) don't point to that "yet" though. If anyone "cherry picks" it's you, harping about a time that was long gone and refusing to look at anything that followed, the "pinacle", objectively. Interestingly you even denigrate winning the Fairs Cup as a high spot for NUFC, do you even remember how significant that competition was in those days, have a look at who was in it, all the best of Europe excepting the league champions. You can't even accept the facts of life of the modern game. For example, as of today, and for some time, within the game (and without for that matter) Liverpool are considered a bigger club than us (you seem to think they are not). Sadly, without them having another few years of mediocrity they will continue to be considered such for a while yet. That's not a cherry it's a FACT (a bitter one at that, as I despise them more than any other team).

Where did I say I was ungratefull ??? I already said KK brought some of the best days (years even) of my NUFC following life, all I contend is that, it waas in the past and cannot help today. I've just turned the page is all.

This is where you are fundamentally wrong. I do not like where we are just now, BUT what I do accept is that the Shep/Hall way of "progressing" was not working (from about 2004) and that it is impossible to try today without some rich Arab or Oligarch. BTW we were 9th in the rich list in 2004, bit of a slip to 14th in the period you contend "we weren't declining" add to that the league positions over those years.......................

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? In other words he has an insight into the club that you could only dream of having and what he's commenting on goes totally against what you believe in. Yes people do listen because one thing you've always got from Kevin Keegan (and always will) is the truth. Wears his heart on his sleeve and says what he thinks - regardless of who it upsets. What's more, he's bang on the money about the Milner transfer too and you cannot possibly argue otherwise. What do I believe in ?? haven't listened and probably won't, is of no interest to me, won't help us win the next game and until the summer is no better or worse conjecture than anything anyone could post on here. Of course I remember, to some, he is an inviolate object of worship and only tells the truth all the time, but even taking that into account his opinion is only an opinion. Your lack or respect for him says everything there is to say about you. The greatest thing to happen to our club in two generations, and you're questioning the value of his opinions. You don't always have to look for an alternative view. The greatest thing to happen to the club in my lifetime (and I'm not 2 generations old) was winning the Fairs Cup in 1969, he had nowt to do with that. I would agree he gave me some of my best days as a Newcastle supporter, but that's in the past. He's just a pundit with an opinion now (however informed it may be) and does not mean he's right (or wrong) yet. I would also add he also gave me one of my worst days as a supporter in 1974. what a load of shite. Most of that Fairs Cup team - great lads to a man too - know that this club should have gone on to better things after that win, but were held back by the board at the time, just like now. I don't expect you to be able to look at the bigger picture anyway, most people attracted back to the club by the Halls and Shepherd can't, all they see is hatred at not winning the league as they hoped. Tragic. This club, the status it has now which is the reason Ashley has bought it, owes everything to Keegan. Everything, he saved the club from your dreaded administration, the 3rd division, oblivion. If not for him, assisted by those who took over the club, we would have been in the doldrums for years like Sheff Wed, Wolves and others have been. Utter shite, we WON a meaningfull trophy, it's not been better than that since. Second bit, if you keep saying it I suppose it must be true. So fucking what "it's down to Keegan", it's in the past, will that help on Saturday against Everton

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? you should, because he's telling you it like it is and he should know. This is the bloke who attracted you back to the club, remember Aye, whatever well, if your information about the football club comes from skunkers, it says everything. It doesn't. I was watching games long before the internet was even a byte. BTW did you ever read that link I posted, which actually was sent to me by a mag who doesn't frequent message boards.

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? In other words he has an insight into the club that you could only dream of having and what he's commenting on goes totally against what you believe in. Yes people do listen because one thing you've always got from Kevin Keegan (and always will) is the truth. Wears his heart on his sleeve and says what he thinks - regardless of who it upsets. What's more, he's bang on the money about the Milner transfer too and you cannot possibly argue otherwise. What do I believe in ?? haven't listened and probably won't, is of no interest to me, won't help us win the next game and until the summer is no better or worse conjecture than anything anyone could post on here. Of course I remember, to some, he is an inviolate object of worship and only tells the truth all the time, but even taking that into account his opinion is only an opinion. I don't worship Keegan, but I respect that he's right. And anyway you obviously aren't listening as you know it'll be nothing you can argue about. Tantamount to sticking your fingers in your ears tbh. I only argue with Leazes (well I used to) because of his delusions.

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? In other words he has an insight into the club that you could only dream of having and what he's commenting on goes totally against what you believe in. Yes people do listen because one thing you've always got from Kevin Keegan (and always will) is the truth. Wears his heart on his sleeve and says what he thinks - regardless of who it upsets. What's more, he's bang on the money about the Milner transfer too and you cannot possibly argue otherwise. What do I believe in ?? haven't listened and probably won't, is of no interest to me, won't help us win the next game and until the summer is no better or worse conjecture than anything anyone could post on here. Of course I remember, to some, he is an inviolate object of worship and only tells the truth all the time, but even taking that into account his opinion is only an opinion. Your lack or respect for him says everything there is to say about you. The greatest thing to happen to our club in two generations, and you're questioning the value of his opinions. You don't always have to look for an alternative view. The greatest thing to happen to the club in my lifetime (and I'm not 2 generations old) was winning the Fairs Cup in 1969, he had nowt to do with that. I would agree he gave me some of my best days as a Newcastle supporter, but that's in the past. He's just a pundit with an opinion now (however informed it may be) and does not mean he's right (or wrong) yet. I would also add he also gave me one of my worst days as a supporter in 1974.

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? In other words he has an insight into the club that you could only dream of having and what he's commenting on goes totally against what you believe in. Yes people do listen because one thing you've always got from Kevin Keegan (and always will) is the truth. Wears his heart on his sleeve and says what he thinks - regardless of who it upsets. What's more, he's bang on the money about the Milner transfer too and you cannot possibly argue otherwise. What do I believe in ?? haven't listened and probably won't, is of no interest to me, won't help us win the next game and until the summer is no better or worse conjecture than anything anyone could post on here. Of course I remember, to some, he is an inviolate object of worship and only tells the truth all the time, but even taking that into account his opinion is only an opinion.

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? you should, because he's telling you it like it is and he should know. This is the bloke who attracted you back to the club, remember Aye, whatever No comeback TP? Why am I not suprised No comeback on what ?? Just end up going round in the same old circle's with the deluded one.

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ?? you should, because he's telling you it like it is and he should know. This is the bloke who attracted you back to the club, remember Aye, whatever

Does anyone actually care what KK thinks anymore ??

Van Wolfswinkle, nailed on, FCB'll make a mint out of the shirt printing

Blinded by hate tbh Sad really, missing out on the enjoyment of our best seasons for years by focusing on all the bad things that "might" happen sometime in the future. It used to be about enjoying the game on Saturday (or Sunday or Monday night) not about "well that was fucking excellent but we cannot conceivably allow ourselves to savour that because we're fucked/doomed at some indeterminate point of time in the future, possibly, mebe's, definitely IMO, but it will happen OH WOE IS ME". Fuckin hell !!!! the irony He's got you there like, TP. Erm..... no he didn't

Blinded by hate tbh Sad really, missing out on the enjoyment of our best seasons for years by focusing on all the bad things that "might" happen sometime in the future. It used to be about enjoying the game on Saturday (or Sunday or Monday night) not about "well that was fucking excellent but we cannot conceivably allow ourselves to savour that because we're fucked/doomed at some indeterminate point of time in the future, possibly, mebe's, definitely IMO, but it will happen OH WOE IS ME". Fuckin hell !!!! the irony He's got you there like, TP. Don't see how tbh, Ashley is a cunt but we're stuck with him (regretably but I am resigned to that) but we ARE having our best season for yonks. FFS was a cunt and we did have some amazing seasons under FFS et al, BUT they were long ago with no sign of them coming back despite what some would say. Talking about the past is a LOT different to hanging your hat on some future maybe won't even happen scenario. IMO of course. I'd love someone to buy Ashley out tomorrow, same as I wanted rid of FFS, not for what FFS "might" do but for what he was doing at that time and the shite on the pitch which wasn't enjoyable on a Saturday (Sunday or Monday night). As we stand now Ashley's NUFC > FFS's latter years in charge and that is currently a FACT. As is the amount of cash that they have respectively put in/taken out. I refuse to worry about what "might" happen, quite enjoying the ride just now, maybe hit the buffers, maybe won't, happy to wait and see. Because your whole critique of the previous regime is based on the financial side. That's fine in itself but you can't then argue football used to be all about just enjoying a Saturday (and by extension criticise those who don't have that view nowadays). I assume that's waht he was getting at anyway. Today it is. At the time my venom/criticism was WAY more around the shite served up across the white lines and the endless parade of shite managerial appointments. It was looking iredeemable on the pitch "at the time" and being able to look back now and see the financial situation that emerged (coupled with the credit crunch/banks malarkey) it was patently in a critical condition on the finance side. Hindsight's a wonderfull thing, it just made me realise how shite FFS was at the end. Maybe hindisght will prove Ashley to be worse, I'll wait until I know that as a fact, before passing judgement. I certainly won't let some potential apocalypse stop me enjoying the current season/games as they go on. Fuck hindsight. Freddy was infinitely better than Ashley and always will be. Back when we had Shepherd, 9th would have been a mediocre-bad season. Yes, this current season has been enjoyable but have you looked into the root cause? Ashley has deflated your expectations to make this season enjoyable. exactly. When will people realise this or forever be blinded by hatred. Don't agree with Flid man You're fucking killing me And Flid, while were on, since SBr was canned, we'd had a 5 season run of mediocre-bad seasons at worse than ninth (except one), in case you'd forgotten. The trend was set if you're looking for the root cause.