Toonpack

OK so the book extract. Comparing football teams to the top 100 industrial businesses (in 1912) is ridiculous, in the depression through the 40's 50's and 60's even, clubs were run on a shoestring, players were tied to clubs for as long as a club wanted them, comparing clubs in those times (at any time tbh) to major businesses is HUGELY flawed. In 1912 a football club wouldn't have got into the top 10,000 companies list. They were "clubs" in the truest sense of the word. Once a company "hits the wall", it's gone or swallowed up by a competitor, people don't care that their favourite brand of "a product" suddenly gets re-badged and called something else. Try that with a football team. Football teams don't move into new "markets" and become a "something else" club and they don't take over the smaller fry on their patch. The whole premise is preposterous. It's like comparing Whitley Bay with Siemens. Now today's a different kettle of fish and clubs whilst not dissappearing do go bust with monotonous regularity, no they don't "dissappear" or cease to exist but they do go into administration, get bought for coppers and continue. Well those one's without their debts underwritten by an owner/benefactor who can (and is willing to) afford it, do.

Aye cheapskate Ashley, we'll never apprehend intruders while he's in charge, if Shepherd was still here it's be 3d HD footage with lasses in the background dancing with their tits out [/Leazesmag] so far as I am aware, there's only one classless knacker who has ever danced around inside SJP with their tits hanging out. Mongs like Toonpack thought it was funny, and made him a good owner too Please find where I said that as well please. See you in 36 minutes (or probably longer).

Nowt like a good bicker man !! Although I suppose I could be classed as mocking the aflicted.

After 36 minutes of searching to try and find the things you say I said but didn't, THAT is the best you can come up with Erm, I did comment on the book bit and "Erm part deaux" the bold bit, now that is irony cubed, like the "factual" statements you made about things you said I said but I actually didn't and you spent 36 minute's searching for and couldn't find. Marvelous You asked my opinion on what I thought the future holds and I responded

God you're thick. Bold bit one, No I did not, I'd need the worlds biggest trebuchet to live a stones throw away. (I said 6 miles or within 6 miles or some such) Bold bit two, Already more than matched in terms of funds into the club (in saying that even my mate from Chicago who bought himself a glass and T shirt at the club shop has exceeded the FFS/Halls investment), finishing 10th or above, year on year will match/beat their average league position (FACT). Bold bit three, I said we will qualify a darn sight sooner under Ashley than we ever would under the continued reign of FFS/SJH Bold bit four, you used that phrase ad nauseum, I didn't, not once. (p.s. I got the score wrong, big deal !! It was 30-odd years ago, If you want to play silly games - hey at least I remembered the right opposition for your "best ever Newcastle Player" testimonial) re the book bit. Of course the clubs haven't gone "pop", That's because their debt is in the main underwritten by owners/benefactors. Ours wasn't (it is now) see Pompey for a club without a rich benefactor and third party/financial institution debt in excess of it's assets - like we were.

Aye cheapskate Ashley, we'll never apprehend intruders while he's in charge, if Shepherd was still here it's be 3d HD footage with lasses in the background dancing with their tits out [/Leazesmag]

we won't see champions league / european football under Mike Ashley son, never. You don't qualify for europe when you are involved in relegation fights. I'm quite happy with forking out over the years to watch champions league, european football and top quality international footballers thanks, along with 30,000 other supporters who were all attracted back to the club by it, if thats what you call "done", then lets have some more What a shame a lot of those 30,000 are now starting to fall by the wayside again, like You I suspect. Your blind hatred is astounding. What was it you said "enjoy today while it happens and why worry about something which may or may not happen tomorrow"..... Your hypocrisy knows no standards. You're a prize idiot. I thought the view from Brighton Grove [or Barrack Road] would be better than that. You get all the drivel you spout from the skunkers "bunker" and 90 year old blokes in the CIU clubs don't you Hevan't been in a CIU club in about 15 years What's your barrack/brighton grove/road fixation man I don't hate anyone dimwit. Maybe we won't see Champs League/Euro football under Ashley, we sure as hell were never going to see it again under the previous mob.

I've always paid my way matey boy

I find it great fun tbh As for the retard remark, I use substantive facts, he's the one who dribbles

We'll see European football again a LOT quicker under Ashley than we EVER would have under continued ownership of FFS/Halls, because we'd be SKINT (er) man !! and you can include the 4 years he's had repairing the damage in that an all (if he wasn't such a prick himself it'd probably have only taken 3 years). They've done you like a kipper man. They had no intention of staying "for the club", they'd milked it dry, they spent money the year before trying to get rid because the £4 mill dividends had gone for ever and god forbid they'd have to risk any of their own cash/assets.

Past statments, maybe I should dig up the fake sheik. How many times man, not my man, I think I like him less than FFS but thank fuck for his wallet eh? Well in the one article that was recent I saw a mention of "10th or above" but nowhere did it say 10th was the target, sorry Howay, plug your brain in. This kind of ambiguous statement is typical of Ashley’s tenure. If you want to understand what it means you have to remove the ambiguity, and doing that leaves the following target. Not finishing lower than tenth. It’s a negative target that exposes a negative attitude. If you want to read it that way and apply the negative slant, ok, I was being purposefully pedantic for the codger as he (wrongly - well there's a surprise) portrays 10th as the stated summit of the target. T'is all irrelevant anyway, we won't know how badly they want to finish "no lower than 10th" until we see what the summer spend is. and then January, and then Summer, and then January. He's had FOUR YEARS ALREADY MAN. "Codger"...listen and learn, from some others on here who are a lot younger than me, you blind idiot. 4 years to fill in the hole your boys left, THIS summer will tell his long term intentions. Strange ain't it, our debt is about the same size as the cash your dream-team made out of the club.

Really ???

Am I? His employers are called "United" over 500,000 people support a club called Newcastle UNITED, yet he refers to another club as "United". If you go in any pub on Tyneside and have this conversation 99.9% of people would agree with me. It's dense at best, his only defence is pleading ignorance, which opens up a variety of other questions too. Pathetic tbh

Isn't this pre-sky, skyboy fan stuff not becomming redundant, Sky've been around since 92, so anyone mid thirties-ish or below can't be anything else.

Past statments, maybe I should dig up the fake sheik. How many times man, not my man, I think I like him less than FFS but thank fuck for his wallet eh? Well in the one article that was recent I saw a mention of "10th or above" but nowhere did it say 10th was the target, sorry Howay, plug your brain in. This kind of ambiguous statement is typical of Ashley’s tenure. If you want to understand what it means you have to remove the ambiguity, and doing that leaves the following target. Not finishing lower than tenth. It’s a negative target that exposes a negative attitude. If you want to read it that way and apply the negative slant, ok, I was being purposefully pedantic for the codger as he (wrongly - well there's a surprise) portrays 10th as the stated summit of the target. T'is all irrelevant anyway, we won't know how badly they want to finish "no lower than 10th" until we see what the summer spend is.

Hmmm. Are the two KK departures comparable? I alawys thought that KK walked out the first time because he couldn't hack the flotation and the City's demands rather than personal issues with the Board. That's just mny impression though. Whereas he was effectively forced out by Ashley/Llambias/Wise, that much is clear from the tribunal, so it seems more based on personal issues. As a side issue, I assume the spending under the old regime was not only debt but also the flotation proceeds? Would be interesting to see how much money we burned through chasing success in the 90s. Not sure of the info before the flotation but we had £24Mill cash in the bank in 98 (which I presume is from flotation cash) the debt started in 99 (£9 Mill)

Sadly you can't even start the game if you don't have the cash to buy even a penny floater.

Past statments, maybe I should dig up the fake sheik. How many times man, not my man, I think I like him less than FFS but thank fuck for his wallet eh? Well in the one article that was recent I saw a mention of "10th or above" but nowhere did it say 10th was the target, sorry

I never mentioned a "model". You bleat on incessantly about spending HUGE sums on players (whether we have the cash or not), yet Villa do the same and you deride them. Doesn't stack up at all, you're a bit unbalanced methinks.

Bring back the Bukta kit, best top ever.

you didn't say that to PP ? He was talking about Hall taking the money and you just made a comment about Shepherd, you can't help yourself, I bet you blame him when it rains you're so fuckin obsessed So. Where do you think we will be in 5 years time, ie 9 years of Ashleys "plan". Will you start going back to games now that we are struggling rather than being in europe and buying these trophy players ? Yes I did, because he was the one buying up shares, strange ain't it, that I should mention the person buying up shares by name when describing a piece of the jigsaw that is directly relevant to said buying of shares by that named personage. Other question already answered on other thread Edit - I didn't mention it to PP as it was a throwaway line, but then I got to thinking about it and had sort of an epiphany moment, looked at the financial figures/trends etc again and it all stacks up, Hall and FFS were fucking geniuses. indeed. Your man Ashley must be doing a grand job then, as he has, according to you, "improved" the club, and we are back playing in the champions league. Oh, wait a moment .... who said 10th was the target again ? You and only you

you didn't say that to PP ? He was talking about Hall taking the money and you just made a comment about Shepherd, you can't help yourself, I bet you blame him when it rains you're so fuckin obsessed So. Where do you think we will be in 5 years time, ie 9 years of Ashleys "plan". Will you start going back to games now that we are struggling rather than being in europe and buying these trophy players ? Yes I did, because he was the one buying up shares, strange ain't it, that I should mention the person buying up shares by name when describing a piece of the jigsaw that is directly relevant to said buying of shares by that named personage. Other question already answered on other thread So PP was talking about Hall and you mentioned Shepherd, but not Hall ? Where do you think we will be in 5 years time when your mans "plan" will be 9 years towards it fruition ? And when are you going back to games, it isn't far from Brighton Grove ? You found the Brighton Grove "spitting distance" quote yet Hall/FFS indivisible, But Oh No!!! I only mentioned one of them !! FFS was the face of the organisiation Hall just sat out back counting his gold.

you didn't say that to PP ? He was talking about Hall taking the money and you just made a comment about Shepherd, you can't help yourself, I bet you blame him when it rains you're so fuckin obsessed So. Where do you think we will be in 5 years time, ie 9 years of Ashleys "plan". Will you start going back to games now that we are struggling rather than being in europe and buying these trophy players ? Yes I did, because he was the one buying up shares, strange ain't it, that I should mention the person buying up shares by name when describing a piece of the jigsaw that is directly relevant to said buying of shares by that named personage. Other question already answered on other thread Edit - I didn't mention it to PP as it was a throwaway line, but then I got to thinking about it and had sort of an epiphany moment, looked at the financial figures/trends etc again and it all stacks up, Hall and FFS were fucking geniuses.

Thing is PP, we know exactly what they did to deal with the financial position the club was in, and they absolutely didn't sit like gormless idiots, rather, they did an obscenely quick cut and run. or you could use your own argument that they sold up to ensure the future of the club, you cant have it both ways. You cant slate them for not being able to sort the finances, state that Ashley is the person who saved us and then slate Hall/Shepherd for selling to him in the 1st place! "They" however didnt up and run, Hall did yes, he made a deal with Ashley behind Shepherds back and took the cash. I dont agree with doing that but its what he did. We always knew however that Hall, more than Shepherd was in it for the money. Doesnt mean however that it was their only avenue or that they would have done nothing had Ashley not turned up with the gormless look on his face that screamed out "Im too rich to bother looking into things". Thats the issue here, the assumption that two of the most successful businessmen in the North East would have been unable to come up wth a plan to raise the income of the club and/or additional finance other than a Barclays loan. There was always Ocean finance. FFS had the look for the ads To be honest it was a bit of a throwaway comment, but to be honest the more I've thought about it ................. You DO want it both ways don't you He's explaining to you that they saved the club, and if anybody wanted to sell the club in the end, it was the Halls. Yet you don't dispute it, and STILL don't even mention them, only a derisory comment about Shepherd. You're totally, totally obsessed man with your hatred Get over it for fucks sake. Imbecile It actually all stacks up, divi's dried up, future credit would have to have been underwritten by their personal assets, Freddie buying up shares and purely by coincidence, £3million of club cash spent tryin to get rid, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Link please Where'll we be in 5 years ?, 9 years away from state worse than McKeag had us in (not my words but as per a former fellow director, who they never sued for libel or defamation etc. strangely, maybe you should read his book) You may hate Ashley I don't hate Halls/Shepherd, despite you keep saying it The accounts and views of said accounts by independent commentators all agree about the trainwreck situation, but your infatuation with the "regime" just wont let you see it. They've made a Grade A arsehole out of you, you've swallowed their shite hook line and sinker Your lass is a dog and you are a mug (copyright Fred and Douggie c/o the fake sheik) You've turned about 25% of their time in charge into a picture of 100% pure heaven. Shit man, this is the most anti Ashley board on the whole net and even here the split is all but 50/50. Oh, and before you retort "you've swallowed the clubs propaganda", hook line etc. Not one of the facts or stats or data that I've posted has come from the club (unless you count the accounts as propaganda). You post bumbling shite, you can't find an external source to back you up, you can't even dissect a post full of stats and destroy the author, I could do your replies for you, 14th in the rich list, Champions League, wahhhh wahhhh, pathetic You can't even get your story straight man! You ridicule Villa for doing EXACTLY what you whine about NUFC not doing, it's beyond belief man. You have nowt but comedy value P.S. Just supposing IF I didn't go to games now, would that invalidate all my opinions, you can't invalidate facts unfortunately, but my opinions ?? (a simple yes or no will do).