Toonpack

we are now nearly 4 years into Mike Ashleys "plan". You couldn't make it up. If Shepherd had stayed, where do you think we'd be ???

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Can you please explain how that can happen legally ?? Bonus. We'll show a profit this year after selling Carroll. They can pay themselves a bonus. Hello Toonpack. Ashley to do a Shepherd Eh ?? Nowt's changed except were not in a financial abyss as we were. Ashley's a twat but he owns the club and there's nowt anyone can do about it and he can do whatever he wants until he goes, despite his twatishness the club's in a much more sustainable position than it was when FFS was laterly in charge.

Where else is the money to come from ??? Anyway I fully expect Jose to be away in the summer, sadly.

Well he's not anywhere near the top 10 world class players where his fee places him. In every interview I've ever heard with a coach who's had anything to do with the club when Carroll's been around the answer to that question has always been "he can be as good as Andy Carroll wants to be". Depends if he gets his head straight, which based upon what I know of him, is highly unlikely as he's a died in the wool piece of sh!t and he's now getting paid at a level where no matter how much better he may "want to be" he's not getting another significant rise any time soon. He's made it already. So I question any remaining motivation. Interesting to see how it plays out, but history (already been to court, assaulted a team-mate other allegations to the police not followed through) doesn't bode well IMO. Or he could have done a Barton... There's plenty of time for that to happen. Edit - He just needs to make sure when and if he gets into bother, it's in Liverpool so he gets a scouse jury

Well he's not anywhere near the top 10 world class players where his fee places him. In every interview I've ever heard with a coach who's had anything to do with the club when Carroll's been around the answer to that question has always been "he can be as good as Andy Carroll wants to be". Depends if he gets his head straight, which based upon what I know of him, is highly unlikely as he's a died in the wool piece of sh!t and he's now getting paid at a level where no matter how much better he may "want to be" he's not getting another significant rise any time soon. He's made it already. So I question any remaining motivation. Interesting to see how it plays out, but history (already been to court, assaulted a team-mate other allegations to the police not followed through) doesn't bode well IMO.

Can you please explain how that can happen legally ?? The money's used to repay Ashley's loan to the club..... So reduction of a liability then, not back pocket

Can you please explain how that can happen legally ??

He’s put a structure in place for running the club on the cheap so he can claw back the money he’s loaned it to hide the real cost of his many mistakes. It amazes me that after all that’s gone on over the last three years anyone can’t see what pigs ear he’s made of everything. Oh he's made a pigs lug of it alright, but it was a pigs ball sack when he bought it. crap It's the truth, as it was the club was unsustainable, FFS would have had us in Administration by now. Don't bother replying because I aint getting into this with you again.

That's the wildcard, along with the fact he's now being paid at the level of the "finished article" what's his motivation now ???

I'd heard it was 30k a week, I could be wrong like. You're not wrong, signed his new one at £30K in October

He’s put a structure in place for running the club on the cheap so he can claw back the money he’s loaned it to hide the real cost of his many mistakes. It amazes me that after all that’s gone on over the last three years anyone can’t see what pigs ear he’s made of everything. Oh he's made a pigs lug of it alright, but it was a pigs ball sack when he bought it.

Newcastle proper doesn't have one. North Shields will be the biggest round here in 5 years time though imo. My mate Woody runs North Shields and they're a decent side. He's played at Blyth Spartans amongst many others. Canny standard, tbh. I was there at Wembley when they won the FA Amateur Cup, great days. See their ground as well, have a look at the pics on the net, was the biggest non league ground in the country up to about 25 years ago, held 19,000. They had to shut it down though cos during a game a player was running on the to a through ball and he fell down a hole which just appeared from no where. Appleby Park was a great little ground, many happy memories until it all went tits up and they had to sell it.

Newcastle proper doesn't have one. North Shields will be the biggest round here in 5 years time though imo. My mate Woody runs North Shields and they're a decent side. He's played at Blyth Spartans amongst many others. Canny standard, tbh. I was there at Wembley when they won the FA Amateur Cup, great days.

Lucky you're not a mackem then FoK

Why didn't Carroll say no ?? I think there's circa 50,000 reasons per week.

Bollocks. I first watched this team in the 60's (late 60's mind, and I still don't agree with Leazes) I've seen it all before. I just don't get blinded by emotion anymore. If you've seen it all before why are you saying wait and see until the summer, i.e. it might be reinvested etc.? Surely this is us going back to being a selling club. You can't have it both ways tbh. I'll assume the bit in bold was the only thing you disagreed with as well. It's £35 MILLION QUID man for Andy bloody Carroll, more than David Villa FFS There's not a club on the planet that isn't a selling club if the price is right (or even ludicrously right). If he'd taken £10 million for him, then I'd have my pitchfork and torch out too. But £35 million, geez !!! As I said somewhere else though, all it does is pay off the debt from relegation. What ambition! But that has to be paid off sometime, so if it's gone now we are in a much better postion to progress next summer. Aim this year was to stay up, I think we do that comfortably. The summer is when we see what the ambition is (or not).

Bollocks. I first watched this team in the 60's (late 60's mind, and I still don't agree with Leazes) I've seen it all before. I just don't get blinded by emotion anymore. If you've seen it all before why are you saying wait and see until the summer, i.e. it might be reinvested etc.? Surely this is us going back to being a selling club. You can't have it both ways tbh. I'll assume the bit in bold was the only thing you disagreed with as well. It's £35 MILLION QUID man for Andy bloody Carroll, more than David Villa FFS There's not a club on the planet that isn't a selling club if the price is right (or even ludicrously right). If he'd taken £10 million for him, then I'd have my pitchfork and torch out too. But £35 million, geez !!!

Bollocks. I first watched this team in the 60's (late 60's mind, and I still don't agree with Leazes) I've seen it all before. I just don't get blinded by emotion anymore.

Don't be stupid man!!! £35 million quid for Andy Carroll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Too good to refuse" only stands up as an argument that's palatable to the fans if it means the owner thinks we will be better off as a team in the long run by cashing in. We all know this money is getting trousered. No one follows the club for the joy of printing out the annual accounts and marvelling at the bottom line. We have been permanently worsened by this sale. No we don't, and we won't know one way or the other until the summer. Carroll could have simply said no. Ok then. You expect us to spend it then? Time will tell, we'll see in the summer. Look, I didn't want him to go but the offer was madness. He's miles from the finished article and his temprament in suspect, to say the least. Huge risk by Liverpool as they're paying absolute top "superstar" whack for "potential" with serious flaws off the pitch.

I believe every word that's written. It ended as a mutual agreement by three parties but this whole thing was instigated by one, the owner of Newcastle United. It's absolute fucking bollox. The £35m WILL NOT be re-invested in the playing staff as the FCB manages to grab his money and hopefully fuck off never to be seen again. The blow hasn't been softened overnight, it's a right royal stitch-up which the fans are having to suffer as per the usual script. The whole thing was instigated by Chelsea bidding for Torres and him wanting to go.

Don't be stupid man!!! £35 million quid for Andy Carroll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Too good to refuse" only stands up as an argument that's palatable to the fans if it means the owner thinks we will be better off as a team in the long run by cashing in. We all know this money is getting trousered. No one follows the club for the joy of printing out the annual accounts and marvelling at the bottom line. We have been permanently worsened by this sale. No we don't, and we won't know one way or the other until the summer. Carroll could have simply said no.

Don't be stupid man!!! £35 million quid for Andy Carroll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The most expensive British player EVER, one of the top 10 deals in the history of the planet. Sheer madness by the dippers. I work in Aberdeen and people are actually coming up and congratulating me on the club taking Liverpools eyes out. I can't comprehend how anyone thinks this wasn't a no brainer. As for plots and theories, Liverpool bought Suarez to play with Torres (in the hope it would spark Torres back to life) when Chelsea came in and Torres made it plain we wanted offski, Liverpool panicked. Will Carroll become a great player, maybe, but he's nowhere near that yet, but now he's getting paid like he is, what's his motivation now ? and lets not forget he's been out injured because he fell off a bar-stool pissed up (again). £35+ Million quid Any club in the country would have sold Carroll for that offer, and for all the protestations of "I was forced out" bollocks, he could always have said no. Whether it gets spent next summer or goes against the bottom line, it's an amazing deal either way.

He's not though really, is he, fucking madness all round