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Not quite such a big lump if he'd extended his rudimentary maths to deduct the £30K a week Carroll was due to be paid in a similar timeframe.

Blinded by hate tbh Sad really, missing out on the enjoyment of our best season for years by focusing on all the bad things that "might" happen sometime in the future. It used to be about enjoying the game on Saturday (or Sunday or Monday night) not about "well that was fucking excellent but we cannot conceivably allow ourselves to savour that because we're fucked/doomed at some indeterminate point of time in the future, possibly, mebe's, definitely IMO, but it will happen OH WOE IS ME". Fuckin hell !!!!

Indeed we will. Sign them up to long term contracts and then you can demand a bigger transfer fee. Which narrows down the number of potential suitors to those you can do fuck all about anyway and even then it's gonna cost them and maybe make them think twice. So you don't deny that's FMA's intentions then? Seriously man you need to give your head a shake. Those that are likely to come in for him are the clubs occupying the top 6 places. And not one of them will think twice about financial outlay if they feel he'll vastly improve their squad. I can honestly see Man Utd interested in him given the state of their central midfield. It's not about intention to sell, in fact it's the opposite, if it was about a fast buck, they'd have let his contract stay where it was, now it means it's got to be a silly offer or he stays. He's FAR more likely to stay now than he was yesterday. It's not about the FCB. It's a fact of life that IF one of the "big" boys further up the tree than you, comes after your player you are fucked no matter who you are. The ONLY thing you can do is try and make it hurt or at least make your compensation worthwhile. We are not a Champions League team we CANNOT stop players heads being turned by the rich bastards. It's reality, nowt to do with Ashley or anyone else. It's the way the game is and THAT is where the fundamental flaw lies. Sadly if Man U are interested in any player at just about any club, they're gone. Let's see what happens at Spurs if the rumours of Man U's interest in Modric are true, especially if Spurs don't requalify for the money machine. Why can't people see this ?????

Only if the fee's exhorbitant and a top of the tree team has a need in that position. Seriously, what part of the way the modern pecking order works, don't you get ????

Indeed we will. Sign them up to long term contracts and then you can demand a bigger transfer fee. Which narrows down the number of potential suitors to those you can do fuck all about anyway and even then it's gonna cost them and maybe make them think twice.

I really REALLY just don't get this mindset My first thought was exactly the same as Isegrim -I wish I had your ability to see the best in Ashley Remind me how long ago Carroll signed his new contract again It's not about seeing good in Ashley at all. Firstly - Carroll signed a new deal in October and then 3 months later wanted a new one or he was offski. What's not to like about this deal, really??? IF a champions league level teams comes in for a player you're basically fucked anyway, that's a fact of life in the modern game. What this deal means is that IF someone is/was considering making an offer they'd better have VERY deep pockets because he's going to cost a shedload of cash. It's a reasonable deterent unless silly money's on the table. Silly money as in £35 mill for Carroll. To me it says we don't want to sell, unless you knock our socks off, which is how it should be. Would it have been better to leave it be ??

I really REALLY just don't get this mindset

He already has, to the tune of tens of millions. How much of that is loans (that he'll want back sometime) and how much has he actually poured into us no-strings? Interest free loans, cheaper than the banks (even IF they were lending) and no different to Short at Sunlun or the Liverpool blokey. The only one's pouring it in and who won't want/expect it back are Abramovich and the Citeh ragheads.

He is in terms of making any money from THIS business venture, which will really upset his pride or ego of which he'll have a fucking huge one. If the money didn't matter to him beacause "he's still filthy rich" he'd have fucked off and let us sink long since. There's about 20-25% of his total wealth tied up in NUFC. Of course he royally fucked up, no one is doubting that, and if he'd done his due dilligence he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole. His level of fuck-up and lost dosh is in direct proportion to the hole that was left previously and his stupidity. The fact that the twat is still here, he could have cut his losses if he was mind to do that, is that he thinks he can make money and to do that the team has to be relatively succesfull for a pretty damn long time,. or he sells it, and I can't see that happening any time soon, sadly. As for the relegation being his fault, yes it largely was, due to some really baffling decisions BUT it'd been on the cards for years (about 4 actually) in my opinion.

Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Arguing about whether we are in decline or not is a fairly pointless. More to the point is the previous owners were making decisions with the benefit of the club in mind(I'm not denying the decisions also had an eye on their bank accounts) This owner appears to not care about benefit to the club, only to his own agenda, anything positive on the field being secondary. Hope I'm wrong His own agenda is not to lose money, he's already in for thick end of £200mill so whilst we might not like the way he'll do things, his "agenda" has to result in positive things on the field or he's screwed and even he must see that. BUT he will do it his way, no-one makes his amount of cash without being hard nosed and ruthless, so we just have to wait and see how it plays out and hope Mikey boy makes his profit.

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd you can also bookmark this thread for future reference. You should be able to see we are now a selling club, based on your own experience of witnessing one if nothing else. This sort of comment is what makes me think you didn't really support the club during the days of Mckeag, Seymour etc because you would recognise the completely different outlook of the last owners, and the direction we have moved in since Mike Ashley bought it. Totally different ballgame these days Leazes man! When we were a real proven selling club a player had no say whatsoever in when he could leave a club, they were basically chatels. Today it is way different. The summer will tell, I don't accept Carroll's sale as evidence of a "selling club", because £35mill for him was IMO a no brainer, more money than David Villa, do me a favour. Is Ashley a prick, absolutely. BUT the way the club is set now is light years ahead in terms of sustainability than the previous regimes model was. I would add - IF the Carroll money is put back in. The difference you refuse to accept is that McKeag/Seymour etc put nowt in and bled the club dry and creamed whatever they could from within the confines of club turnover. FFS and the Halls took the club forward by putting in vast quantities of "not their own money" whilst doing very well out of it personally (much more than the Seymour/McKeag families ever made in decades). Ashley, as yet, has not made a bean out of NUFC but has ploughed in vast quantities of his own money to keep the thing going. I am under no illusion his "endgame" is to profit from NUFC but the bugger will do well to reap the sums the previous incumbents did, especially in today's financial climate and the way the game is structured today.

Exactly

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over.

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet.

He already has, to the tune of tens of millions.

Course they are. Bookmarked Have you got insider info or are you just paying too much respect to paper talk? Not me but a a lad who's itk is usually decent. Your mad if you think they'll still be at newcastle next season Elswick's ITK Aye, the kid off skunkers. He's been right in the past about things No he hasn't

Course they are. Bookmarked Have you got insider info or are you just paying too much respect to paper talk? Not me but a a lad who's itk is usually decent. Your mad if you think they'll still be at newcastle next season Elswick's ITK

Top by miles, North Shields 2 Sutton Utd 1, FA Amateur cup final 1969,what a day, special trains on the lot. A few from Brazil in WC 1970 The sight of the stadiums in WC 78 especially when the Argies were playing. more recently Micky Gray missing THAT penalty, fucking hilarious Barca hammering Madrid

From Pardew in the Journal. Not exactly certain that is it? Everytime I read something Pardoo has said it's almost like he is asking for people to put a bid in. If you choose to interpret it that way. On the other hand he's just saying what we know already, it's the way the game is.

and maybe end up with an Owen, Luque or Boumsong for which you could have a dozen cheapo's and maybe get 2 Tiote's, maybe.............. nah. A Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Lee, Robert, Bellamy, Solano, Speed, Venison, Beresford, Cole, Sellars, Woodgate, Dyer, Peacock, Ferguson, Jenas etc.... Proof of the pudding is the league positions. Would you rather qualify for the Champions League and europe more than any club bar 4 in a 15 year period, or lose your best players and consider survival to be success ? Don't really know why I'm asking this anymore. You're not skidmarks' dad are you ? No he's his bumboy. Good morning Flid, how are you today?

He is a bit orange mind, canny keeper despite that though

Well if Tiote and Ben Arfa are the product of this then thats good enough for me. Would rather see this than spunking money(wages,fees etc) on some over the hill or over rated Billybigbollocks Yep, players who see this club as a step up (which it is for all but a few) as opposed to players who see it as a gravy train/retirement fund.

Shit, I enjoyed going on the League Cup run and final in 76, for the semi stood in the Gallowgate with one of my dad's work mates who was a broad cockney spurs fan praying he wouldn't open his mouth. Wasn't at the FA cup final in 74 but loved the semi, I even thoroughly had a good time proceeding through and winning the Texaco Cup against Burnley, gave myself a treat that night, bought tickets in the main stand, I really enjoyed the fairs cup in 69 (on the radio sadly, I was only 13 though and watched N. Shields mostly then), but I guess you're right Souness (as an example) was much better than any of that. When I was a young'un in 70's/80's the "big picture" was irrelevant, it was all about the "event" of going to the game on a Saturday, boardroom finance, we just never discussed or even thought of, doubt you did either. P.S. read the link, that's relevant unbiased facts. Texaco Cup ? You're fucking kidding right ? Of course, you set your sights low and don't realise how big the club should be. From the age of about 14 ie when we won the Fairs Cup, i realised how big Newcatle United are, and saw they never pushed on from it because they had shit directors who would NEVER show the ambition befitting the club. It is EASY now to spot such limitations in a football club and its outlook. However much of a wanker Souness is, we still played in europe albeit it courtesy of the previous manager and his inheritance [actually you could say that Mike Ashley is still riding on the back of his inheritance too as the full impact of what he has done and is doing is nowhere near being felt fully yet] and many people still backed him in his sales of the main 2 players he got rid of for peanunts. If you think this is anywhere near the years after Gordon Lee of McGarry and what he left behind, the years after we lost Beardsley, Gazza and Waddle and blowing the good work Cox did, then leading to the last season of Smith and then Ardiles, you are out of your mind. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda, but sadly didn't. Am done man Ok discuss it over a pint sometime then THAT I could agree on,

Shit, I enjoyed going on the League Cup run and final in 76, for the semi stood in the Gallowgate with one of my dad's work mates who was a broad cockney spurs fan praying he wouldn't open his mouth. Wasn't at the FA cup final in 74 but loved the semi, I even thoroughly had a good time proceeding through and winning the Texaco Cup against Burnley, gave myself a treat that night, bought tickets in the main stand, I really enjoyed the fairs cup in 69 (on the radio sadly, I was only 13 though and watched N. Shields mostly then), but I guess you're right Souness (as an example) was much better than any of that. When I was a young'un in 70's/80's the "big picture" was irrelevant, it was all about the "event" of going to the game on a Saturday, boardroom finance, we just never discussed or even thought of, doubt you did either. P.S. read the link, that's relevant unbiased facts. Texaco Cup ? You're fucking kidding right ? Of course, you set your sights low and don't realise how big the club should be. From the age of about 14 ie when we won the Fairs Cup, i realised how big Newcatle United are, and saw they never pushed on from it because they had shit directors who would NEVER show the ambition befitting the club. It is EASY now to spot such limitations in a football club and its outlook. However much of a wanker Souness is, we still played in europe albeit it courtesy of the previous manager and his inheritance [actually you could say that Mike Ashley is still riding on the back of his inheritance too as the full impact of what he has done and is doing is nowhere near being felt fully yet] and many people still backed him in his sales of the main 2 players he got rid of for peanunts. If you think this is anywhere near the years after Gordon Lee of McGarry and what he left behind, the years after we lost Beardsley, Gazza and Waddle and blowing the good work Cox did, then leading to the last season of Smith and then Ardiles, you are out of your mind. Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda, but sadly didn't. Am done man