Toonpack

Have been interested since I was 20 mate. Why? It's shit. 5 seconds of action then a free kick. Load of wank. "time for some quick advertisurrrrrrs messages" during the game as well. What a load of nonsense. Second best, and probably most complex, game on the face of the planet mate, IMO of course. I'd put it as second worst behind kabbaddi. IMO of course. No problem with that, your choice, you're wrong on lots of things, so may as well add another.

Have been interested since I was 20 mate. Why? It's shit. 5 seconds of action then a free kick. Load of wank. "time for some quick advertisurrrrrrs messages" during the game as well. What a load of nonsense. Second best, and probably most complex, game on the face of the planet mate, IMO of course.

Have been interested since I was 20 mate.

Of course it was secured, as was all our debt to the point where everything we had, or were likely to have was spoken for, our liabilities exceeded our assets, which means (in the real world) you can't borrow any more. How hard to understand is that, eh ?? Please tell me how we could borrow more money?? Think of a house with negative equity, then try and get a new mortgage Edit - don't quote this, don't comment, you are beyond redemption. Why don't you disect and destroy my take on your book ???

I know him, not personally mind, but of him. Basketball is crap an all. Why lie? Who's lying ?? How the fuck would a 53 year old racist, who drinks in The Cannon Inn, know who an American Basketball player is. No TV coverage, no media exposure, how would you know? That bit's right. How would I know, erm, because I'm not a blinkered eejit. I often read some selected American newspaper sports pages because of my interest in the NFL, which also leads to reading some more general "interest" articles.

I know him, not personally mind, but of him. Basketball is crap an all. Why lie? Who's lying ??

Where abouts in Wi you from WiMag ?? I've got family out there (Milwaukee) and friends all over the place (through the Packers). If you watch TMJ4 you'll know my nephew (Lance Allan, he's a Mag)

I know him, not personally mind, but of him. Basketball is crap an all.

To be fair, I think Fulham fans are being a bit ungrateful - Al Fayed gives them a statue for nowt, Chelsea had to pay £50m for theirs....... Aye just a bit, he's also loaned them £207 mill interest free.

That would have saved me a lot of typing Hold on, those articles dont say anything to back up your argument that we would have gone bust, yes lots do it but as many have pointed out its irrelevant to assume we would have if fatty Ash hadnt ridden in on his white shirehorse, in fact the first one points out that our chances of going into Administration have increased dramatically because we were purchased by him and led into relegation. Feel free to explain to me how that backs up your Ashley/Shep argument like. We were (well I was) discussing the premise of a book, (which was along the lines of Football clubs are the most stable "businesses on the planet" and used "real" commercial companies as the evidence to prove the point, that comparison is absurd) those articles are in line with my views on the debunking of said book. Nowt really to do with Halls/Shep. See posts #492 and #494. As for the, "we're under greater threat of Admin now, because we were relegated". It's just not true, why? - because to counterbalance the consequences of relegation we had an immensly rich owner who could (and had the will to) mitigate the financial losses out of his own pocket. I accept that "the will to" was probably driven by the need to protect his investment, but clubs that don't have someone's deep pockets to draw on, do "go bust" (in the football sense). Of course if he withdrew (or couldn't afford) that backing we'd have been screwed. That's why Premier League clubs don't go into admin (often) because they are, by and large, similarly backed or propped up, or at the very least institutional finance is guaranteed/underwritten by a backer, (where there's external finance NOT backed by a sugar-daddy, it's all secured against future revenue of some sort, transfer fees or TV dosh usually - we'd already done/maxed out on all that by 2007 BTW). Prem clubs virtually ALL live beyond their means and would be unsustainable if they had to live off themselves with no outside subsidy/guarantee. Levy (Spurs) is making noises in an article this morning about "cutting the cloth" (heard mention on t'radio). Their main backer (Johnson) lost £500 mill in the banking debacle, so it looks like he's not going to dip in further (even though he's still worth about £2Billion), Harry's already trying to rack up the price on Bale "Cor blimey, he's not for sale but if he was to go it'd take £80 million quid, me old cock sparra" Or words to that effect.

If you're under 30 years of age, or so, you can't be anything other than a so called "fairweather bandwagon jumper".

I woke up in the middle of the night and it looked like I'd left the bloody light on in the kitchen, it was Ok though, I'd just left a can of Tuna on the bench .

Unlike us Villa would be smart enough to have a clause in his loan that doesn't give him the opportunity to score against them. I believe it's now a prem league rule that you can't play against your "home" club.

That would have saved me a lot of typing

Context you muppet Administration is the football "going bust", it happens all the time, the difference between that and a company (real commercial company) going bust and then ceasing to exist is chalk and cheese. Commercial ventures that fail, often really do cease to exist, or at best come back branded as a "new" thing (if their assetts are taken over). A football club, if it goes bust ,but it's assets are taken over, comes back with the same name (brand). Thus "goes bust" but still exists. Simple, no contradiction in my position at all. I despair I really do. Go find another book built on a premise I can destroy please.

Historical fact and pattern ONLY stacks up if you compare like with like. Please disect with rebuttalls my post if you disagree with it (or this one for that matter). Football was a game, it's only been a business since the Sky££££'s rolled in and it's a business with a core and captive customer base (per company) which will never leave. A football club can serve up a shite product (in fact 99% of them do) and still the core "customers" stick by them. Try being Mr Coca Cola and all of a sudden your plant starts putting a turd in every can or bottle, customers'll just fuck off to Pepsi, it's just not comparable. Companies can become obsolete, football teams don't, you've just spent £10 Million on your new dogs bollocks shellack (sp?) plant for your gramaphone record producing customer and then some cunt goes and invents vynil. etc etc etc

OK so the book extract. Comparing football teams to the top 100 industrial businesses (in 1912) is ridiculous, in the depression through the 40's 50's and 60's even, clubs were run on a shoestring, players were tied to clubs for as long as a club wanted them, comparing clubs in those times (at any time tbh) to major businesses is HUGELY flawed. In 1912 a football club wouldn't have got into the top 10,000 companies list. They were "clubs" in the truest sense of the word. Once a company "hits the wall", it's gone or swallowed up by a competitor, people don't care that their favourite brand of "a product" suddenly gets re-badged and called something else. Try that with a football team. Football teams don't move into new "markets" and become a "something else" club and they don't take over the smaller fry on their patch. The whole premise is preposterous. It's like comparing Whitley Bay with Siemens. Now today's a different kettle of fish and clubs whilst not dissappearing do go bust with monotonous regularity, no they don't "dissappear" or cease to exist but they do go into administration, get bought for coppers and continue. Well those one's without their debts underwritten by an owner/benefactor who can (and is willing to) afford it, do.

Aye cheapskate Ashley, we'll never apprehend intruders while he's in charge, if Shepherd was still here it's be 3d HD footage with lasses in the background dancing with their tits out [/Leazesmag] so far as I am aware, there's only one classless knacker who has ever danced around inside SJP with their tits hanging out. Mongs like Toonpack thought it was funny, and made him a good owner too Please find where I said that as well please. See you in 36 minutes (or probably longer).

Nowt like a good bicker man !! Although I suppose I could be classed as mocking the aflicted.

After 36 minutes of searching to try and find the things you say I said but didn't, THAT is the best you can come up with Erm, I did comment on the book bit and "Erm part deaux" the bold bit, now that is irony cubed, like the "factual" statements you made about things you said I said but I actually didn't and you spent 36 minute's searching for and couldn't find. Marvelous You asked my opinion on what I thought the future holds and I responded

God you're thick. Bold bit one, No I did not, I'd need the worlds biggest trebuchet to live a stones throw away. (I said 6 miles or within 6 miles or some such) Bold bit two, Already more than matched in terms of funds into the club (in saying that even my mate from Chicago who bought himself a glass and T shirt at the club shop has exceeded the FFS/Halls investment), finishing 10th or above, year on year will match/beat their average league position (FACT). Bold bit three, I said we will qualify a darn sight sooner under Ashley than we ever would under the continued reign of FFS/SJH Bold bit four, you used that phrase ad nauseum, I didn't, not once. (p.s. I got the score wrong, big deal !! It was 30-odd years ago, If you want to play silly games - hey at least I remembered the right opposition for your "best ever Newcastle Player" testimonial) re the book bit. Of course the clubs haven't gone "pop", That's because their debt is in the main underwritten by owners/benefactors. Ours wasn't (it is now) see Pompey for a club without a rich benefactor and third party/financial institution debt in excess of it's assets - like we were.

Aye cheapskate Ashley, we'll never apprehend intruders while he's in charge, if Shepherd was still here it's be 3d HD footage with lasses in the background dancing with their tits out [/Leazesmag]

we won't see champions league / european football under Mike Ashley son, never. You don't qualify for europe when you are involved in relegation fights. I'm quite happy with forking out over the years to watch champions league, european football and top quality international footballers thanks, along with 30,000 other supporters who were all attracted back to the club by it, if thats what you call "done", then lets have some more What a shame a lot of those 30,000 are now starting to fall by the wayside again, like You I suspect. Your blind hatred is astounding. What was it you said "enjoy today while it happens and why worry about something which may or may not happen tomorrow"..... Your hypocrisy knows no standards. You're a prize idiot. I thought the view from Brighton Grove [or Barrack Road] would be better than that. You get all the drivel you spout from the skunkers "bunker" and 90 year old blokes in the CIU clubs don't you Hevan't been in a CIU club in about 15 years What's your barrack/brighton grove/road fixation man I don't hate anyone dimwit. Maybe we won't see Champs League/Euro football under Ashley, we sure as hell were never going to see it again under the previous mob.

I've always paid my way matey boy

I find it great fun tbh As for the retard remark, I use substantive facts, he's the one who dribbles