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Thats even more sickening, how can anyone do that to the place they've grown up in?

So its not just bombing non muslims to hell then right? People will fight people man, regardless of race or religion. Its about power. Its what history has shown. And Iraq was an example, if you look at the conflicts in which the US for instance has been involved post WWII I dont think there'd be any denying that they've got the blood of millions on their hands. There have been powerful Islamic empires in the past. Their rise or fall probably did not have much to do with the fact that they were Islamic. Same goes for today. And by the way how long did it take Europe to get its act together? You nearly wiped each other out before realizing it was all a bit silly ffs. Most Islam majority countries are young having recently achieved independence. I dont think that justifies everything wrong with them, but history has shown rarely do people get their act together without learning the hard way. Which brings me back to my original point.

Yeah I know you're not defending it, which is why I said there may not be direct links and doesnt really matter even if there were. My reasoning here is general, the amount of shite happening daily no one gives a second thought to. We just get a rude awakening when it happens somewhere near us.

Agree with that though, this summed it up: [tweet] [/tweet] Fact of the matter is that the people who commit such acts are cowardly bastards not fit to be called animals. They could have been subject to the biggest injustice there ever was and there'd still be no excuse for such attacks. If such acts could fix everything they claim to be avenging, it still would not justify it. Doesnt work that way. As a believer in the afterlife I really hope I'll get to glimpse a few of them rotting in the deepest darkest corners of hell.

No, not really. Aye thats an issue as well but the vast majority of fatalities have come from attacks carried out by Taliban/Al Qaeda/other groups. Sunni shia conflict flares up every now and again, but its not a consistent issue in most places. In Pakistan anyway. Its more prominent in Iran/Iraq. Do you know there was a total of one suicide attack in Pakistani history prior to 9/11? Despite having unfriendly neighbors on either side. I think a lot of people take this view because its simple, and keeps those skeletons neatly tucked away in their closets. The whole apologist thing has been done to death as well by now, there are no kids here ffs. The Iraq war was meddling now was it? A fabricated war, two superpowers bombing the shite out of a defenseless country. Estimates ranging anywhere from 500K to a mllion dead and tens of thousands more from the fall out. But hey thats not terrorism because people in nice shiny uniforms did it. Im not even saying that attacks like the ones last night have a link with Iraq/Syria etc. They usually do but its not the point. For me its quite simply really. We cant expect to have heartless murdering villains running the show everywhere with no accountability and then not have shit like this happening. No justice, no peace. Blame religion or ethnicity or whatever else all you like.

Also interesting how institutionalised/state terrorism is considered so much less serious than such attacks carried out by a few retards. Didnt Blair recently apologise for the Iraq war? How many people died in that and the fall out since then? It's just amazing how one can apologise for something like that call it a mistake and get away with it. Aye I agree it's not the best time to discuss this because it sorts of undermines the tragic events that have unfolded in Paris but since the discussion has already begun... Really does confound me how people can get away with murdering millions using state machinery and it's all just politics with those responsible enjoying their lives scot-free yet something like this becomes a global issue. Such incidents should become global issues, however if we perhaps gave a little bit of attention to the blood sucking assholes we put in office who feed on chaos we might start getting somewhere.

Shocking stuff. Not the first time something like this has happened but it gets you everytime how low human beings can fall. Interesting conversation above. What I don't understand is that if this is really about religion what the hell have over 50 000 of my people, in a 98% muslim majority country, done to die at the hands of such people since 9/11?

So? Other fans can go screw themselves for all I care. Always like to see a team try and play proper football. Not that I'd hand them the three points mind, we needed them and Elliot and the defense got stuck in to get them. But I dont see anything wrong in acknowledging that the other guys played better, much as Steve did yesterday.

Commentators and all going on as if he did the wrong thing. Its great to see. We complain about the state of the modern game and yet when a player does something honest everyone gets on his back for it. Mind you with the state Chelsea are in its understandable that they'd have happily taken the penalty.

Great to get the three points but anyone who saw that knows that that was right up there was some of the worst shite we've seen from Roeder, Kinnear, Allardyce, Pardew and his cup games etc. Dreadful dreadful dreadful stuff. Feel a bit sorry for Bournemouth to be fair.

Well cisse has had a real impact

Bloody hell. Aimless stuff

Defending and clearing the ball like we're playing Barcelona.

Why Mitro off ffs? He's been doing a lot of the defensive work and the ones behind him have been utter shit

Turning into genuinely funny stuff now seeing how bad professional footballers can actually be.

Sissoko and Perez there. Shocking stuff

Tiote there. Make a couple of changes ffs see if anyone on the bench actually wants to play.

Is anyone other than Elliot? These fuckers know they're in the drop zone?

We're just sitting back and waiting for them to attack. No one is really arsed. Sickening stuff.

Dummet now. This is ridiculous. We've seen some shit performances from these sorry sods but this is just ridiculous.

What the fuck are we doing? Morons.

Starting right where we left off then

It's basically the opposite of last week. Midfield really need to get their act together. Getting dominated by the likes of Gosling is embarrassing

How are still ahead in this?

Ok that was good First bit of quality and Perez makes it count. Really well taken