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Funny how he doesnt say whether England are a better team with or without him right now. Its not about who deserves what, you've got to play your best in form 11. If he was currently looking better than Vardy or Kane noone would be asking for him to be left out. Either way, good luck, might be another painful tournament if that statement is anything to go by.

England actually have a few decent players this time. They look up for it too. I agree it'd be typical for Hodgson to start Rooney and Walcott and mess things up again. Vardy, Kane, Barkley, Alli. They're hungry and in the form of their lives. Give them a go and you never know what could happen.

True Conventional warfare seems to have morphed into proxy wars and terrorism.

Nope. I take it's worth the watch? What a superb innings from Kohli that. Controlled from start to finish. Cant remember anyone as good in the chase as this guy.

Yeah fine mate. Thanks This world is fucked

Absolutely. What a horrid idea to cut out the associate nations. Its like they dont want the game to grow at all. Bigger mess than FIFA sometimes, the ICC is. Mostly got to do with the bigger countries' boards demanding more share of the money Im sure.

Am I the only one who's seeing broken links?

Yeah fair enough I said after the Paris attacks, the idea behind trying to get into what motivates these people is to get to know your enemy. To work at every possible means of stopping them. Not to understand or agree with whatever they are doing. What they're doing is of course cold blooded cowardly murder. There's no justification whatsoever for it, not even if lets say somehow a single innocent life would satisfy their supposed 'vengeance' against the West. Any half reasonable human being knows that.

I remember that anti war demonstrations before the Iraq invasion were much larger in London than anywhere in the muslim world. I could make a list of things that we would do well to learn from you lot. Not really as simple as evil Islam hating west for me. Though I do agree that some sections see it that way. Which is inaccurate.

Umm no, like I explained to the Fish, I believe there are a host of other factors responsible for terrorism most of which can be attributed to failings of those countries. The discussion started with what Chez believed Europe should now do, not Iraq or Syria or whatever. And I responded with what I believe to be a necessary shift in foreign policy thats required for any other measure to be effective long term. If you are going to put words in my mouth and construe that as being disrespectful to the victims, thats your problem. Like I said before, I have seen 60,000 of my countrymen die since this so called war on terror. I have had family die in terrorist attacks. I do not need you to lecture me on the sensitivity of the issue. And I do not take responsibility for words you are attributing to me. The US and its allies, most notably the UK, have been involved in pretty much every major conflict since WWII. So you should not be surprised if their name comes up in the resulting fall out. It does not mean that everything in those areas was fine and dandy when they did arrive however. There obviously have to be massive failings in the local governments and society generally for it to come to the situation it has in some of these countries. For instance, people here are quite fond of blaming the US for their Afghan war and what has happened in my country as a result of that. Rightly so, but only to an extent. I have always been of the opinion that we only have ourselves to blame for not standing up to the Bush government post 9/11 and getting involved in the mess. Similarly, general lawlessness, poor development and lax control in areas along the Afghan border was going to cause big problems sooner or later. Its not really as simple as pinning all the blame on one party. I did not note that that was the topic of discussion for the time being however.

From ISIS' point of view, its all working out perfectly. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/24/scariest-brussels-reactoin-paranoid-politicians-isis-atrocity-belgium?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Add_to_Facebook [tweet] [/tweet]

He could be useful in the Championship.

The sort of steps Chez suggested probably wont work. These people are already blowing themselves up, exactly what to you threaten them with? And it'll be more fodder for recruiting.

What can you do after blowing something to bits? I suppose the first thought would resolving not to break another thing to bits. I see from the US/UK aided Saudi strikes on Yemen that the lesson has definitely not been learnt. Leaving them to their own devices, interesting you say that. Because apparently isnt that how ISIS got a lot of their arms? Haphazard US withdrawal, abandoned bases and misplaced supply drops? Look at Afghanistan right now. The Taliban are as strong as ever. Stronger maybe. You have to wonder exactly what US and allied forces have been doing there for so long. Trillions of dollars, thousands of dead soldiers. Wont bring up the civilians, since they're so far away and all. I doubt the Afghan government will be able to stand 6 months on its own. Kabul will fall again. Can anything be done to stabilize Syria and Iraq? I dont know? Some sort of end to the civil wars everyone has played a part in maybe? Is anyone even looking at that? I dont know. Probably not. What sort of one line solution do you expect for this mess? There's no intent at the moment. Oh there may be condolences and raised fists and emotional speeches from your leaders about dealing with these people. But they're changing nothing. Little stop gaps domestically maybe. But the wars go on. Which is why I keep banging on about them. Repeated failures upon failures. From Afghanistan to Iraq to Syria. Yet the wars go on. Dont stop that and nothing else works. Simple one line solution: there has to be a sincere signal of intent to stop the wars. Just look at the state of some of those places man. Beyond belief. And everyone has played a part in it. Simply for wanting one guy in charge instead of the other. I already said I cant really comment on what steps maybe taken locally, increased surveillance or better intelligence or whatever.

For the tenth time, I've never said that ceasing military operations alone will be enough. Im saying if its excluded other things wont work. Here's what a well researched terrorist sympathizer/appeaser has said on ISIS' motives http://www.thenation.com/article/heres-what-a-man-who-studied-every-suicide-attack-in-the-world-says-about-isiss-motives/

Except that Yemen hasnt really been waging any wars in US/UK/Saudia or casually dropping bombs there for entertainment Im trying to get at why the terrorist committed the atrocity that they did. Good heavens I know looking past the whole muslims are evil rhetoric is considered automatically as sympathetic with terrorists but this is ridiculous Keep putting words in my mouth. Dont really care. [tweet] [/tweet] Read this please. The idea that you have to explain yourself because you're muslim. Like its some sort of cult [tweet] [/tweet] I can see you want me to spell out everything: 1. Stop all wars in the middle east etc. Its getting pretty old and people that die thousands of miles away are of slight more consequence to their loved ones, also a lot closer in km terms 2. Might warrant having a look at what key allies like Saudi Arabia are brewing for joining in their wars and arming them 3. Improved domestic measures such as intelligence. Its already being said that yesterdays bombers were wanted. In very broad terms. Cant really comment on the whole privacy versus surveillance debate. My point the whole while has been that it'll be of little consequence without the first 2 measures.

Not literally I hope

I actually didnt say that, I said local governments are to blame for them. Quite obviously. You'll forgive me for not being bothered about accusations of insensitivity here after I have been explained about in length why its okay for us not to be bothered about people dying hundreds of miles away

No I've never been to Europe. Which is why I've never issued blanket statements on the general populace.I comment on foreign policy, which is plain for everyone to see. I dont blame Belgium for Syria etc. I think I made it clear on the France attacks too that Im talking about a general solution for this mess. The constant rhetoric used to recruit these people is hatred for the West. US and its allies, England and its allies, NATO etc etc. Combine this for a complete lack of respect for human life then I dont know why its surprising that softer targets can sometimes get hit. It has ruffled feathers throughout Europe, caused panic throughout Europe. And the reaction will only help them gain more followers. You can call me an appeaser or a sympathizer. I couldnt care less. I dont think there's a solution for this without getting into the minds of these people. You dont think that post 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq and the Arab spring and everything since then there has been a significant increase in militant activity in these regions and attacks on western soil? It obviously doesnt mean that each and every attack has to be directly linked to that country's involvement in this. It is also quite obvious that the people who do this are mentally unstable barbarians so it shouldnt be a surprise if they end up blowing up things for fun once they're on the loose. It really shouldnt. Did you think that after Paris they would just pack up their bags say "Hey we've avenged Syrian airstrikes now, lets head off home" and wind up the organisation? How can you believe that organisations such as these wont take a chance to cause havoc when they can. But they do have an origin, a source of funding and recruiting tactics which is what should be targeted if you want to get rid of them for good. I dont know whether you just dont agree with this or are on a wind up interpreting everything so literally. Its also not saying that other measures such as improved intelligence or better domestic security shouldnt be adopted. Im just saying they might not be enough. Why is it bad taste to have a pop at foreign policy if it has absolutely nothing to do with Brussels? I agree there are a myriad of issues here. I pray however so your governments decide to deal with this is effective, for once. Most of all I wish innocent people would stop paying for the mistakes of the handful that run the show. As for ISIS and their lot, they're hell bound barbarians, there's no debating that. The question is what the rest of the world can do to tackle them. If it brings up some uncomfortable questions so be it I say. On a side note, I really dont blame the West solely for the whole militancy mess. The constant wars are a major factor of course but not the only one.Civil war, lack of education, corruption and floundering economies, high unemployment etc etc make it so much easier for young men to be recruited into the likes of ISIS. These are all well documented factors and ones only local governments are to blame for. Not to mention climate change

You lot have such a convenient way of turning an eye. The US can go take out 200 people in a single strike somewhere in Africa and say they were all terrorists. Great. Why should we care? Its 5000 miles away. I dont work there after all. We'll care when the fallout reaches our homes and we start realizing that killing innocent people is not funny or foreign policy. My my how civilized and developed

Its been mentioned countless times by myself on this forum, and other terrorist sympathizers across media. Point one is stop fucking about in other people's countries. Thats a general comment again before you bring up Belgium. That coupled with intelligence and other domestic security measures may bring about results in time. Otherwise the latter will just continue to be stop gaps.

Renton is right in a way of course. These people are cowardly psychopaths with no honour or shame. Not all attacks have to be because of whats happened in their region before. But there is a general trend. We can huff and puff and stamp around to look busy and feel like there's something thats being done. Some good thats done so far. I just wish someone would look towards addressing the long term issue.

Either way, we've been over all this before after the Paris attacks. Meh. Politicians will continue to debate and repeat the same mistakes. Nothing really changes.

Oh dear. It was a general statement. I dont think the people who do this stuff are given history lessons. Its them against the west. Its the EU, its Europe. It has caused panic as you can see. Mission accomplished. You can break down and analyze these incidents separately if you like. I dont see how anyone can see a solution to this without addressing the bigger picture. Very well. My comment was about finding a long term solution to the terror threat, not just specific to Brussels or Paris. And for me that goes way back down to where the trouble started. Question, have you ever actually been to Pakistan? Iran? Syria? Before you lot and your friends destroyed it that is. I'll tell you one thing though, some of the things you come up with, I'd feel much safer sitting next to a draconian tribal warlord from Waziristan than you. You'd probably be wearing a suit or something, but apart from that I wouldnt be sure what the difference in level of 'civility' would be.

Yes, and the question of how they got hold of some pretty neat American equipment in Iraq too. Iraq. Dont forget Iraq ffs. God knows what the Saudis are brewing in Yemen now and what that will do 10 years from now. But they continue to be key allies. Shambles.