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Apart from Babayaro, which Chelsea player have we signed which we shouldn't? We tried to sign Bridge from Southampton, so the fact that he's now at Chelsea isn't relevant. 61407[/snapback] I didn't say we shouldn't sign him, I said basically it would be cheaper if we just offer to be their reserves. Gallas, Gudjohnnson, Bridge (and I know we tried to sign him but he rejected us for Chelsea). Have I forgotten any? All great players but for some reason it just feels like if you can't make it at chelsea, newcastle pay just as much so go join them, By the way goal, when fit I rate him highly, when fit.

Why don't we just offer to be chelsea's reserve team and explain to them it would be much better for them if their stiffs were playing in the top flight as opposed to the shite opposition they have to suffer against the hammer's or pompey's stiffs! I know chelsea have an excess of good players but it is getting to a joke when we are linked with all their rejects and as good as Bridge is that our scouting system, ex-chelsea player buy him.

In the immortal words of RobW...... FLOUNCE ALERT! 61167[/snapback]

I actually meet him a couple of times in 99 & 00 and although he could be like all sports stars and act like a primadonna. He, when he was away from the pressure of competition, was a nice guy who was always willing to talk to his fans and enjoy a bit of banter with rival fans. When it was discovered he had an illness unlike many other "stars" who rush to the tabloids to sell their story, he just quietly stepped down from the limelight and got on with his business. RIP Richard.

I can see it all end in tears as mr toplass tears them from your body in a moment of hot and sweaty passion.

That's the Yakubu who this season has: Played 18 sub(5) goals 8 in all competitions.

Over-hyped? Uou horrible little worm they are the american love children of the Reid's, how dare you! kexp on-line.

I quite like the Yarbirds and was suprised to hear they turned into The Birds. Thing is you've had me looking for Birds CDs and I can't find any that includes a previous member of the Yardbirds. Can you suggest an album? Thanks. You seem to think I'm arguing that U2 are the most influencial band ever and no other group has been as influential. U2 haven't done half what the Beach Boys have in terms of originality. I think we're both wrong on the Paul Weller thing (which is what you said originally, not The Jam) he was probably most influential in the 90's (Oasis, Ocean Colour Scene etc.). I don't think it applies to Mariah Carey, no. If I hear a Mariah Carey song I haven't got a clue if it's her, Christina Aguelera, Britney Spears or whichever other pop poppet is flavour of the month. When I hear a U2 song I know it's them, without hearing Bono open his mouth. U2 have a sound that's instantly recognisable. The reactive argument was just what I might feel after hearing a U2 song, I also recognise though that a lot of people would love it and try to incorporate that sound. Why must everything be so black and white? The Beatles are the pacesetters and they influenced EVERYONE since with their stunning originality. U2 are pisspot boyband who've got lucky and released nowt but derivative shit. Neither of these statements are true and if you think they are it's a very blinkered attitude. There's no need to get shirty about it either boys. I think it's a bit harsh (Sammy) to call NJS' view simplistic when it seems to be your stance that musical originality started somewhere around 1963 (I guess that's not your opinion, but your fixation on the Stones, Beach Boys, Beatles, Doors etc as the be all and end all puts it accross this way). Also, just because someone mentions Brecht I don't see why it makes them a wanker. 60658[/snapback] I didn't call Sammy a wanker I just said that talking about Brecht was student wank - subtle differnce but one I stand by - I just think Sammy is as much a U2 hater as I'm a U2 lover - he's wrong but its nowt personal. For the record I think the Beatles were shit but I recognise and respect their place in the scheme of things. 60747[/snapback] Over it. You guys are right and I'm obviously wrong. 1. I can't spell. And have created a fictional link between two different but both more influencial bands than U2 (yardbirds and the byrds) - sorry stoopid me. 2. I didn't realise there was anything pre 1963 (pop and rock wise). 3. I'm clueless and not English, so therefore clueless. 4. Forgive me people as you're obviously all right. 5. Student wank and wanker? Depends if I'm a student really. So I'm off to HMV to buy every U2 release they have because they are the beginning the middle and the edge.

That's bizzare I always thought the "S" stood for shit! .cock is such a fucked up site. Luque's profile calls him a striker. Luque the striker And the senior squad page calls him midfielder: Luque the midfielder So let's wait and see because we all know Souness is such a useless tool that he will play him at RB.

Lunch I've just had lunch, yum. Seasoned goats cheese, homous, turkish bread, falafel and pancetta - mezze plate heaven!!!!!!!!!!! That and sucking down a New Zealand beer called Mac's, the blonde variety which is very similar to hoegaarden, very tasty. Lou, glad you can see it amoungst all the banter on here. Otherwise I'd feel bad and So fish face what's cooking?

You've got a bloody cheek! I'm sure on that picture you posted of yourself on here, you've got ginger dreads! 60982[/snapback] I've never posted a pic here, anyway Gemmill the ginger (if you call blonde ginger) dreads went about 12 months ago now, I've got a proper hair cut now, no and it's not a mullet. Joe Marsden who played for Preston North End. Q. Who was the first South American to play for the toon?

how did you know I'm sporting a chubby? Are you peeking in windows again fish boy?

Well that explains Sweden!

They're both bridges, but surely thats where the similarities end? 59998[/snapback] *shrug* SYDNEY: SUNDERLAND: NEWCASTLE: Tsk. Sydney and Sunderland are such wannabes.... 60547[/snapback] Ignoring geography, size and the fact the Sunderland should be nuked off the face of the earth, they are all the same in design, built by the same company (from smogville) and based on the original Australian design for the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It's just that it is the biggest of the 3 and hence they were able to complete the tyne bridge quicker.

Lou, GET HELP! Neighbours this and neighbours that. You spent quite a while here and you obviously know no-one watches it. So stop it Lou, NOW. As for food. I just had a yum-cha lunch, yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm and two sing tao beer. That should help the afternoon at work move along!!!!!!!!!! Then off for japanese for dinner tonight!!!! Tori-kara, shabu katsu, yum. Hey fish face, saw a gorgeous hippy girl up the street a few moments ago, you should of seen the body on her! Hubba hubba

but you still want this gimp mask you asked me to pick up for you, don't you?

Meenzer you're such a

Isn't that manc's current squeeze?

See right up until that first line I thought you might be a music fan and not a U2 worshipper, obviously I was wrong. Intellectual student wank hey? I take it you don't know a lot about film production either? Brecht is one of the biggest turning points in media (theatre and film) and yet you call it intellectual student wank! From him german expressionism, french new wave, even hollywood westerns grew - and you think U2 are post modernist! Mate I can't be bothered discussing it with you any more, obviously you just "love" U2 more than your ability to actually go out and listen to other music. As for your Rolling Stones comment, that is just beyond belief. They might not have written anything of substance since the early 70s but what they produced in their time has and will influence and shape music far more than any pap U2 will ever produce. Open your ears, longevity is not a reason to argue a band is great. my bloody valentine released 2 lps and 4 eps and yet what they left behind in 4 short years U2 will never be able to even comprehend.

Fuck me, do people not read posts?

How is collaborating with another artist on a couple of records ripping them off? Apart from obvious punk/new wave influences on their very early stuff I'd say that even the most adamant "disliker" would admit that U2 have always been pretty original in their own way even if you don't like it. 60521[/snapback] No they haven't. See NJS that's why we are discussing this at such length. Your musical knowledge only seems to lead you to U2 but believe me, nothing they have done is original. From their Zooropa stadium shows which were merely a rip off of Bertold Brecht's theatre from the 1930's to the "collabortation" with B.B King. If you really want to disect their music Brian Eno was the reason they moved away from their early sound, do you know who Eno is? By the way their early sounf was neither Punk or New Wave, it was rock pure and simple and Bono in his leather pants was just an Irishman trying to be Jim Morrison just like Michael Hutchence was an Australian trying to do the same thing on the opposite side of the world at the exact same time both influenced by the Doors, same age, same stage of musical development. Gol, yes the stones have been around for longer than 25 years, that is what I've been trying to explain to NJS!

I'm actually a big Joy Division fan as well - the list I gave off the top of my head in a rush is not the entire extent of my collection and I recognise many other influences in other bands I like. The "ancestors" of any band are not as simplistic as either you or I have argued in this thread for effect - they tend to be much more multi-faceted but I'd still maintain that U2 have a place high up in a lot of "good" music. The period you dismiss for U2 for examples includes The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby - two albums I have read being mentioned by loads of other musicians as being big influences. 60516[/snapback] And what about their complete rip off of the brilliance of B.B King? See this is probably the best example of why I find it so hard to see how they were a direct influence/inspiration to others, they are a mere plagerisation of others themselves. Maybe they are the first point of contact for a lot of young musicians but any talented individual will inevitably listen to the sounds that U2 have exploited (so yes you are correct it can't be argued as simplistically as it has been but maybe that is what fired me up in the first place because of the broad brush statement that they influenced a host of contempary guitar musicans.)

See SBR has voiced his want for the job! Robert's back in the starting 11, Lua Lua is back on the bench and a guaranteed 72 minute sub for Robert. (By the way I miss Robert's moments of brilliance.)

So the birds (or Yardbirds as they originally were known) had little influence? What about the beach boys? And why do you think Paul Weller is an 80's influence? The Jam were a band from the 70's! Yes he has produced music since, and some great music but his 70's work is the stuff that has inspired many. Look twice now you have made similar statements: And yet you make this comment: Well if you want to argue the influenced by what you hear argument then don't you think it applies Mariah (s)Carey? See this is where I disagree with your argument because you are saying that a reactive response is one that has been influenced, I think musically influence is something that inspires. My ignorance? And yet you are adamant that: Sorry but do you actually have any musically knowledge or are you making it up as you go along? Joy Division, a band which has had more influence over bands since their demise are renown for crediting the velvet underground and the stooges as their biggest influences and I would have to say that New Order (you know the connection don't you?) have since influenced more bands that U2. Not including the fact that a lot of the bands you listed as influenced bands aren't British based. Look it appears NJS you are pro U2 great enjoy it, just realise there has been a few more bands out there that may not have reached the heady heights of millions of cd/record sales or stadium shows but at the same time their influence has been far greater than the commercialise pap U2 has churned out for the last 18 years (I'll pay that up to The Unforgetable Fire, they produced some good music but the ultimate influence, I don't think so).

Yeah, I'd just hate to see him actually win something. Desperate to see him fail, me 60006[/snapback] Not being funny like, but the manager is judged against the results and performances over a certain time period versus expectations. The expectations are set by what the club wants to achieve, and they base that on how much financial backing has been given to the manager and the state when he started. If the Board is happy with a bottom half finish and a cup win, then Souness is successfull. I'd be disappointed however if this was the aim of the Board, as it's a fairly low aim, the League being the proper guide to a teams quality. While everybody wants us to win a cup, the dire performances over a long period of time, and a bottom half position in the table to me indicate the manager has failed. It doesn't make Souness a success to win the League Cup. 60495[/snapback] Thank you HTL. That's exactly what I meant. Think of all the managers and players over the last 51 years that you really wanted to see win a domestic competition at Newcastle who didn't. And what is going to happen, one of the worst managers the club has ever had will be revered for being the man to bring a domestic cup home to the club, albeit probably the league cup. Shearergol and Alex, my witty friends, I also won't be disappointed if the club actually wins something but I will be disappointed with the next generation and the one after that holding Souness up as a successful manager for a club that deserves so much better.