Gemmill

Just for further clarity - I wouldn't go to Tesco and just buy bog roll, but at the same time, I'm not gonna go to the little shop across the street and buy it by itself either. Especially the shop across from my street cos it sells bog roll individually, unwrapped, by the roll. It almost feels like I may as well just squat in the shop if I'm gonna buy that. By the way, this is all probably because I'm an immature twat, and I KNOW that if I worked in a shop and someone came in and just bought one bog roll I'd be thinking "Ah aye, shitey arse....got the shits, have we?"

"...*takes 50 quid note out of his pocket and uses it as kindling to set the kid alight*..."

Sorry, I didn't realise that the alternative to Souness was a guaranteed Robson-like revival under a new manager. What's his name? 69580[/snapback] Oh ffs Gemmill. I don't know who his name is, there are no guarantees. I would be fairly confident that Hitzfeld might be an improvement if we could get him though. But your attitude is it doesn't matter who's available, all managers must get a minimum of two years regardless. Even Souness. Even Gullit. Even Dalglish. 69586[/snapback] Gullit was an extreme case - he alienated half of the dressing room with bizarre selection policies and wouldn't give Rob Lee a squad number for no other reason than that he was friends with Shearer. He made his position at the club untenable. But I still think it's ridiculous that you're arguing as if relegation under Gullit and revival under Robson were known facts at the time and it was just an easy choice between them. Funnily enough, I think Hitzfeld would be an improvement too, but I don't think we have a hope in hell.

Sorry, I didn't realise that the alternative to Souness was a guaranteed Robson-like revival under a new manager. What's his name?

Because IMHO I think it takes more than that to judge whether someone is up to the job. That's all. As for being established top 6 under Robson, I think I'm right in saying that in his last 3 seasons we got 70-odd, 60-odd and 50-odd points, in that order. We might have been top 6, but we were very much on the slide before Souness came along. 69560[/snapback] So you would have had us relegated with Gullit then? Or do you think he would have pulled us around? 69564[/snapback] I have no idea. Gullit had fallen out with the senior players in the dressing room by acting like a child. I don't think that helped his cause tbh. Why are you droning on about Ruud Gullit as if you've scored a major victory because he was sacked early? I didn't sack the bloke you know. 69569[/snapback] I'm just trying to follow your logic of sticking with a manager for two years no matter what. Thankyou, I now know you would have been happy to get us relegated (just like we would have with Souness were it not for the timely acquisition of Owen). Falling out with senior players, hmmm, where have I heard that before. Of course, Gullits record in the league or in terms of European qualification was better than Souness's was when he was sacked. 69572[/snapback] Have you got this Gullit thing out of your system now then? Now that you've convinced yourself that not only would Gullit have got us relegated, but that it would have made me happy?

Because IMHO I think it takes more than that to judge whether someone is up to the job. That's all. As for being established top 6 under Robson, I think I'm right in saying that in his last 3 seasons we got 70-odd, 60-odd and 50-odd points, in that order. We might have been top 6, but we were very much on the slide before Souness came along. 69560[/snapback] So you would have had us relegated with Gullit then? Or do you think he would have pulled us around? 69564[/snapback] I have no idea. Gullit had fallen out with the senior players in the dressing room by acting like a child. I don't think that helped his cause tbh. Why are you droning on about Ruud Gullit as if you've scored a major victory because he was sacked early? I didn't sack the bloke you know.

Because IMHO I think it takes more than that to judge whether someone is up to the job. That's all. As for being established top 6 under Robson, I think I'm right in saying that in his last 3 seasons we got 70-odd, 60-odd and 50-odd points, in that order. We might have been top 6, but we were very much on the slide before Souness came along.

That point has never been put to me in the past, you mentalist! You're adopting the Leazes Mag "homeless-mental-man-shouting-at-someone-that-isn't-there" approach to arguing. I honestly have no idea what the answer to your I-spy question is though. Is it "Maybe-that's-because-Liverpool-won-the-fucking-thing-last-year"? Liverpool fans expect to win the bloody league every year too - should we do the same?

That's just bollocks. There are no "Souness lovers" (apart from me, obviously) and no one will celebrate the fact that we don't get relegated. Or demand another season for the bloke if that's all we achieve. 69510[/snapback] The expectations have been lowered though Gemmill, otherwise how is he still here after last season? What's acceptable to you again - 6th place and no silverware? Less than what Robson achieved with less money anyway. 69514[/snapback] I expect us to qualify for Europe this season, so I don't think expectations have necessarily been lowered, as I never expected us to qualify for the Champions' League. He's still here after last season because it's ridiculous to give someone less than a season to prove themselves. 69527[/snapback] You don't think it is reasonable to expect CL qualification with the money spent, considering the squad Souness inherited (the best ever apparently) and our previous placings? COnsidering the league now is undoubtedly one of the weakest ever bar Chelsea? As for your second point, it was ridiculous to give him the job in the first place. Once again I could mention Gullit, but you conveniently seem to forget about him. 69532[/snapback] How have I conveniently forgotten Gullit? I just assumed that seen as we weren't discussing him I could get away without mentioning his name tbh. And no I don't think it's reasonable to EXPECT CL Qualification. I didn't think it was reasonable to expect it under Robson either. It was great when it happened, but I never thought that we'd all of a sudden made it and could expect to do it every season, and I think you'd have to be a bit daft to think that way.

That's just bollocks. There are no "Souness lovers" (apart from me, obviously) and no one will celebrate the fact that we don't get relegated. Or demand another season for the bloke if that's all we achieve. 69510[/snapback] The expectations have been lowered though Gemmill, otherwise how is he still here after last season? What's acceptable to you again - 6th place and no silverware? Less than what Robson achieved with less money anyway. 69514[/snapback] I expect us to qualify for Europe this season, so I don't think expectations have necessarily been lowered, as I never expected us to qualify for the Champions' League. He's still here after last season because it's ridiculous to give someone less than a season to prove themselves.

I was told by someone (can't tell you who, but he is tall and has ginga hair) that your 'girlfriend' is in fact a Swedish trucker who goes by the name of Sven 69320[/snapback] That rules me out then.

That looks nowt like Max Clifford! 69507[/snapback] For that - here's you.. http://artpad.art.com/?irqwddpo8dk 69511[/snapback]

That's just bollocks. There are no "Souness lovers" (apart from me, obviously) and no one will celebrate the fact that we don't get relegated. Or demand another season for the bloke if that's all we achieve.

That looks nowt like Max Clifford!

And all that's left are those whose craic is a 'Souness Out?' based thread. 69481[/snapback] It's more a "Souness-Outer" based thread tbh.

Is that based on a particular formula or just an arbitrary number? 69469[/snapback] Common sense methinks. 69470[/snapback] Really?! 69472[/snapback] Really what? I'll reiterate - I don't think it's unreasonable to expect us to do better than we are after so much money was spent on new players in the summer. 69475[/snapback] And as Rob pointed out, we have done better. So you should be a happy man!

Is that based on a particular formula or just an arbitrary number? 69469[/snapback] Common sense methinks. 69470[/snapback] Really?!

Is that based on a particular formula or just an arbitrary number?

There was never any doubt as to whether you would reply tbh.

I'm not saying anyone should change their mind, you rotter!

Just like the Souness backers go quiet when we have a loss and piss poor performance, like against Wigan you mean? I have been delighted by the last two wins (although all the match reports have suggested we were fortunate against West Ham), but I still want Souness out. We are still 10th, and are now essentially a one man team, and that man is injured too much. But I am sick of the argument; my case will be proven in May after what will have been a bitterly disappointing year. If I am wrong I will be glad, but I don't think I will be. 69443[/snapback] I don't remember going quiet after Wigan. 69444[/snapback] Well, I wasn't here then so I wouldn't know, but I have noticed you are pretty slow to post on this forum when we are in a run of poor results. I've almost completely stopped posting here as things seem to be at a complete impasse regarding those who would still give Souness time and those that wouldn't. Plus, I never comment on a match I haven't seen in real life or on the telly (in full). 69449[/snapback] That's bollocks about me not posting when we're on a bad run like. Nice try though. And I know you've stopped posting - you're one of the "vociferous Souness-Outers" I was referring to. 69451[/snapback] Did I post after Chelsea, Wigan or Villa, or any other recent matches we have been shit? No, I don't think so. 69458[/snapback] Are you biting though? Yes, I do think so.

I hope you're not seriously suggesting that because we've won back-to-back victories for probably the first time in the league under Souness, everyone should change their mind about him being the right manager and tuck into the humble pie. 69453[/snapback] Nope, just pointing out that when we do have a couple of good results, those posters whose only craic is "Souness out, rarrrrrr, splat, grrrr!" go missing.

Just like the Souness backers go quiet when we have a loss and piss poor performance, like against Wigan you mean? I have been delighted by the last two wins (although all the match reports have suggested we were fortunate against West Ham), but I still want Souness out. We are still 10th, and are now essentially a one man team, and that man is injured too much. But I am sick of the argument; my case will be proven in May after what will have been a bitterly disappointing year. If I am wrong I will be glad, but I don't think I will be. 69443[/snapback] I don't remember going quiet after Wigan. 69444[/snapback] Well, I wasn't here then so I wouldn't know, but I have noticed you are pretty slow to post on this forum when we are in a run of poor results. I've almost completely stopped posting here as things seem to be at a complete impasse regarding those who would still give Souness time and those that wouldn't. Plus, I never comment on a match I haven't seen in real life or on the telly (in full). 69449[/snapback] That's bollocks about me not posting when we're on a bad run like. Nice try though. And I know you've stopped posting - you're one of the "vociferous Souness-Outers" I was referring to.

Just like the Souness backers go quiet when we have a loss and piss poor performance, like against Wigan you mean? I have been delighted by the last two wins (although all the match reports have suggested we were fortunate against West Ham), but I still want Souness out. We are still 10th, and are now essentially a one man team, and that man is injured too much. But I am sick of the argument; my case will be proven in May after what will have been a bitterly disappointing year. If I am wrong I will be glad, but I don't think I will be. 69443[/snapback] I don't remember going quiet after Wigan.

Visionaries tbh.