Kitman

If one of our players had done that, I'd be disappointed. Genuinely. There's no difference between what Torres did and what Andy Carroll tried to do to us last season imo. Torres was diving before he got to Anita; I'm not sure Anita even touched him because he pulled his leg back.

Yes, it's cheating. He's set out to con the referee.

Unless you were cheating too. The problem with cycling is that doping seems to have been widespread, almost endemic. If Armstrong was cheating, but all the other top cyclists were too, then ironically he'd still be a champion of sorts. All conjecture on my part of course.

RIP

I don't blame the referee, at full speed it looked like a penalty. When you see it on the telly from behind it's obvious Torres is diving before he makes contact with Anita - if he made contact at all. As you say, Anita should've been wise to it but it's still cheating from Torres imo.

Apologies if the peno has been done to death earlier in the thread btw.

Just seen brief highlights. Am I the only one who thinks Torres obviously cheated for the peno? He was launching himself before he got near Anita who actually pulled his leg out of the way. If Anita touched him at all, it was incidental as Torres was diving anyway. If there was a panel for reviewing dissembling, I reckon Torres would have been done for that. His goal was class though.

Yup, 3 points from 2 games is OK. Hopefully this'll spur some transfer business as you say.

For that we could've had Fletcher

Has anybody proved Wolfy exists?

12 mill for the likes of Fletcher is pretty risky. When you marry it up to MON's recent dodgy transfer dealings it's fucking risky. It could work out to be inspired but it's entirely possible they've got an overpriced journeyman who's already had his best season in the prem. Fair play to the owner for his backing though.

I don't think he'll do either tbh

deary me

Apart from being injured all the time

Presumably a trade mark mis-timed tackle?

I think Pardew sees Jonas as an ever present. I doubt he'll rotate him unless he has to. Marveaux's best bet is to come in though injury or a sub and play his way into being first pick. imo.

I'd have thought he'd go to a decent European club

QPR have made a lot of signings this summer. Hope they can afford it....

Jonas was class against Spurs imo. Marveaux will get his chance sooner or later but I wouldn't drop Jonas for him atm

Would've thought that's very hard to prove.

Or "Abduls" as they called them on Auf Wiedersehn Pet

still waiting for him to come good then....

It does sound patronising. As well as a bloody good idea.

Pardew seems to rate Obertan for some reason.....

A ban of 2 games is OK. I don't know why the media made such a big deal of it though, it was only a little shove.