Ayatollah Hermione

Kevin, you're not looking very good here. Or anywhere really.

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Love Sun Hands off that album.

You have a brilliant mind. Why beat about the bush. It's a shite paper, and attempted to plug it's loony left agenda. Nowt else to discuss. Of course, your posts over the years have epitomised common sense and intelligence, shame you are rarely proved correct........ Aye, it's awful when someone will constantly push an agenda down the throats of everyone.

Four Lions Top class. The subtitled extravagant swearing was an inspired touch.

Here's hoping the Pikey district that is Gateshead Town Centre has it in Tesco or Argos.

Glad that's clear then. It makes sense if you've been watching

But the island wasn't purgatory. What was the island then? The island was real, it existed in the real world. It was only the alternative timeline that was purgatory. So they all died when the bomb went off (when Juliette died on the Island) ? The bomb sent them back to 2007 because of the reaction with the electromagnetism it exploded on top of. Jack died on the island thanks to his stab wound, Hurley and Ben died at some point in the future while protecting the island while Kate and Sawyer got off, lived lives off the island and then died. The purgatory or what have you, they created existed in a space devoid of time and was merely created by them to reunite when they died to move on, whether into heaven or even nothingness. It was just one place for them to all be together (I.E. give us a happy ending).

Living on four hours sleep at this point tbh. I've never spent so much on dvds from CEX in my life.

But the island wasn't purgatory. What was the island then? A mystical island. Everything on the island was real.

I'm well aware of that but as far as I know, its a fairly big cash cow so I wouldn't be surprised to see a different ending to keep it going a bit longer than the original's 2 series.

Its not a case of anyone being superior to anyone else, its just the way we are wired with different mindsets. Some people need to know how a magic trick works, others just enjoy the trick. Its a bit harsh that most of the criticism on here over the last day has come from people who didnt even stay til the end. The problem with "not nitpicking over forgotten Walts, etc." is that a lot of those aforementioned "missing details" are why we got interested in the show to begin with. That being said, I'm over it. If you enjoyed the last two seasons and the finale, then kudos to you (and by you, I mean anyone in the thread who dug the ending- not necessarily you, CT). I'm not one of those vindictive turds that tries to ruin it for everyone else. It's not like after being a total fanatic for seasons 1-4 I suddenly decided to start hating the show- I was just disappointed in the drop off in writing quality and the direction they decided to take the show. I kept thinking that maybe, just maybe, they'd reel it back in and somehow it'd all make a lot of sense and I'd end up with a lot of egg on my face for dissing the past two seasons, and trust me when I say nothing would have made me happier than to watch a cool finale and go, "Oh shit- I've got to go back and watch seasons 5 and 6 again! I totally whiffed it!" And as far as American dramas- Damages, True Blood, Rescue Me, and Dexter have all kept my interest for more than one season. Take it for what it's worth. As an aside, have you been watching V at all? I know it's been on for a bit over here but with it finished in your neck of the woods, how was it? I don't want to start watching it if it's going to have a dodgy ending.

By the time the fight rolled around, Locke/MiB couldn't become the smoke anyway. Pulling the cork out made him mortal.

Can't see how this applys to Lost in paticular, conisdering it's reocurring, and I've never seen a spin-off. I agree about Life on Mars, I thought it was a brilliant series, and never took to it's spin-off Ashes to Ashes. What are your issues with this non-existent plot, and when did you throw in the towel regarding Lost? I stopped aound the series 2/3 border I think, when it became apparent to me there was not going to be a coherent explanation regarding the strange goings on on the island. Also I think there was dispute between Virgin and Sky 1 at the time which didn't help. I just like things to make sense, if you're not too bothered about strong plot lines, fair enough. I can't be arsed about most American dramas after series 1 nowadays if I'm honest. Take True Blood. Promising first series, turned to shit in the second, imo, obviously. You've got to be loyal to Lost to be satisfied, seriously it almost angers me when I hear some idiotic viewers whinging about being confused over a show that is much more intelligent than they're and regard that as a reason to fuck it over because the answers aren't being handed on a plate for them. Which frankly would make it boring, but the ending suprised me in a way considering I was expecting something alot less simple, but that's me being too profound and speculating, which I personally enjoyed doing. Fortunately that isn't the case with you Renton. It's a shame you finished it at Season 3, which I regarded as the best season of the show, as it focuses more on the background of 'The Others' and a slight insight of The Dharma Inititave and its origins. Season 6 pretty much delivered 'most' of the answers, especially the strange going ons, although I have to admit the pace was alot faster than previous seasons, and I saw this more a negative than a positive. On American series in general, I also agree, this applied to me when I gave up watching Fringe after the first season simply because it had little direction and became tedious to watch. EDIT: To conclude, I hope you give it another chance and if you do, and your opinion doesn't change then fair enough. So by not being able to tie up the loose ends one has unraveled over the past 5 seasons with competent writing and continuity, I'm a dummy because I didn't like the ending? That's a new one on me... I wasn't one of those people who needed every single answer, but the answers I did want I at least wanted to make sense. And it would have been nice to work in the answers instead of having a character just do an exposition piece. Oh and Rents, take it for what it's worth, but while the writers do cover Dharma and The Others, they're almost nearly 100% inconsequential to anything outside the season they're portrayed in. SPOILER- I mean really? The church was some place they invented to go when they all died? WTF? At what other time in the show did you get the impression from like any character that shit could happen? Also, what was the point of any of the alternate reality crap from this season? From where I was sitting, the alternate reality they've been dicking around in all season isn't at all related to the church at the end, so what was the point of any of that? Fun way to eat up a season of network TV money? They really wanted to put Sawyer behind a cop's desk? I don't know... I hated the Sopranos ending too. It didn't fit the theme of the show at all. I think anybody honest with them self had to hate that ending as well because it was such a cop-out- just like LOST's ending was tonight. People tried to say the Soprano's ending was this nearly artistic level device, but that show had never used any kind of artistic devices before; it wasn't like David Lynch turned up to direct the last episdoe, FFS. The writers didn't know how to end it, so they faded to black hoping the fanboys would talk themselves into it being some brilliant move. It worked that time (for the most part), and it'll probably work this time for LOST. Right with you there !!! And yes there were times during the whole shebang I thought I've had enough of this shit but persevered ...thinking somewhere along the line I will get "some" answers , maybe not all but enough for me to fill in the blanks . Unfortunately this ending left way too many blanks for me and not because I am a halfwit either before the dicks all weigh in !! The church scenario became the Dallas Bobby Ewing shower scene for me ......... oh and by the way just a few unanswered , explain the numbers, the significance of the flash-sideways, Walt and Michael's rolls in the story as Walt was originally the special child that everyone wanted, , the origin of "the light", where Richard was in the last scene, what the smoke monster was, why the sonic fences were effective... and many other questions, please send them all in a 100 page dossier to me. Cheers. As a Lost fan, its a well-known theory that they've been dead all along, and in this case in purgatory. HF posted what I'm about to say(http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/lost/index.html?story=/ent/tv/heather_havrilesky/2010/05/24/lost_finale_unintended_moral), its all based on fate. Remember Jack (bald) (Man of Science) he was originally obsessed with leaving the island as opposed to Locke (Man of Faith) who adamantly wanted/needed them to stay, this reversed in the final season, where as Jack has no interest in leaving, Locke/MiB was not going to let anyone stop him from leaving. oh and by the way just a few unanswered, explain where Vincent shits, where he pisses, and what he rubs his shitty arse against, because there's no carpet. The numbers were referenced to certain characters, and related to there lives. Meaning and influence remains unresolved. The Flash-sideways:The flash-sideways timeline was a purgatorial version of events that appeared to be a version of the 2004 timeline in which the Island is submerged in the ocean and Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed there. It was conjectured that this timeline exists as a direct result of the reset, as hypothesized by Daniel Faraday. This version of events did not interfere with the original timeline (though the original timeline interfered with it) and differed in many ways differences. The flash-sideways timeline and the original timeline shared many, but not all events in common. Eventually, it is revealed that after Jack, Locke, Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, Hurley, Ben, Claire, Charlie, Boone, Shannon, Sun, Jin, Sayid, Desmond, Rose, Bernard and Penny die, they come together to create a world where they can reunite, as their meetings after the crash of Flight 815 were the most important of their lives, and the lessons they learnt there impacted their experiences in the Flash-Sideways, such as Jack having a son, and James Ford being a detective. Once they reunite, they, as Christian Shephard describes it, "move on". Couldn't of put it better myself (Lostpedia), in what Mighty Hog also referenced. Walt and Micheal's roles and his special powers: I don't know this, I'm led to believe that they couldn't portray Walt as an ongoing character because he'd significantly age, thats just based on the principle which TMG also stated about Hurley and his inability to lose weight in 101 days, which is similair to Walt and the ageing issue. On his special powers and such, I'm not sure that does stay unresolved. Actually I cba, whatever questions you have go on Lostpedia, and they should answer them or not. As a LOST fan, I'd assume you'd know that the purgatory theory has been debunked by JJ and the show's producers on multiple occasions. (http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Purgatory_%28debunked_theory%29) * The purgatory theory was debunked by J.J. Abrams in a Zap2it interview published in March 14, 2005, "though he claimed to like the idea." * The theory was again expressly debunked by executive producer Damon Lindelof in a New York Times interview published on May 25, 2006. Noting the fact that the finale of Season 2 shows the outside world in the present (as opposed to a flashback) for the first time, Lindelof added: "People who believe that they're in purgatory or that they're subjects of an experiment are going to start reassessing those theories based on the fact that we are literally showing you the outside world." * This theory was rejected again by Damon Lindelof on the October 6, 2006 podcast. * Following the airing of "D.O.C." and Naomi's revelation that the wreckage of Oceanic Flight 815 was allegedly found and there were no survivors, the "purgatory" theory was again debunked twice; first by Damon Lindelof in an interview with E! Online [1], stating that "If we did such a thing after repeatedly stating otherwise, we'd be tarred and feathered!"; and second, by Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse in the April 30, 2007 podcast, insisting out that "we were not lying, it's not purgatory" and listing several possible other explanations for Naomi's revelation. * Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse again debunked this theory in a Lost recap special when they added that the Losties are not dead and "do exist somewhere in the space time continuum." I'm not going to touch on every unanswered mystery or every crappily answered mystery; I'm just going to make this point: when Shyamalan wrote and directed The Sixth Sense, he knew from the very beginning that Bruce Willis was dead. When Chuck Palahniuk wrote Fight Club, he knew that Tyler wasn't really real. You can tell because when you experience these works for a second or a third time, they hold up- they make sense. LOST doesn't. There is no doubt in my mind that the LOST creators had absolutely no idea in the slightest where they were going with any of the ideas they were presenting the entire time. This is why things got so totally goofy and impossible the last two seasons. That's why I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't because it was over my head or too arty or whatever, it's because they painted themselves into corners and couldn't write their ways out of them in a sensible or remotely plausible way. You watch stuff from season 2 on video or syndication or whatever, and it totally doesn't fit. Hell, at this point, you could basically watch seasons 1, 5, and 6 and as far as the series is really concerned, that's about all you'd need to see. The Others? Pointless. The Freighter people? Pointless. DHARMA and the hatches? Largely pointless. Red Herrings or abandoned plot line kids? You decide. I already have. That stuff is fairly crucial with regards to the characters. I agree that they put too much mystery in for their own good and they're clearly better at that sort of stuff than advancing plot. The last 2 seasons have been objectively worse than what came before in terms of writing.

Same. Boosh.

TBF, the polar bears were explained rather logically as a scientific experiment from the Initiative originally behind the Hatch. I'm not sure how "polars bears on a tropical island" ranks as more unbelieveable than "giant monster of smoke" for some people. The show was pretty batshit from the start.

Do you ever feel you're wasted in your profession?

Where from? I'll tackle this bad boy.

I think it's more a case of there being some very interesting themes and ideas running through the show but the writers aren't really good enough to show it (see the heavy handed whispers explanation) or have said "you can interpret it yourself!" to avoid the difficult job of linking the themes to the characters. One could stretch to say that the "rules" between Jacob and MIB were just how they were conditioned and being told that hurting each other was wrong meant that they never did it for fear of the repercussion (like we're told that breaking the law is wrong, say) but it's a bit of a stretch to do so and it's probably just down to shoddy consistency in the writing. As for the mysteries, the real problem wasn't that they didn't answer enough stuff, but rather that they put in so many mysteries that it would be impossible to neatly explain them all and still have time for the plot. Still, a pretty interesting ride.

I liked it. Show's had serious theologic shit running through it forever but I can see why people won't. Though if this show was all about the characters, they probably shouldn't have set it on a magical island full of intriguing mystery and then complain when people demanded answers to said mysteries.

Same. Strapping in to be fucked.

At least there's now some sort of mythology instead of mysteries there solely to keep the viewing figures up.

They should have taken a leaf out of Disney's book and cast a fox.