TheGingerQuiff

Criminals would feel more compelled to carry one. Supply and demand

Until you start creating more of gun culture, for example by arming police.

It's worth asking why he used a gun to target them. The ones over here use knives. Like I said terrorists would adapt.

I'm not accepting that as an example, he targeted armed Police with a gun! I don't think it was his objective to go on an 8 minute killing spree

Have those countries effectively stopped any terror attacks by arming their beat bobbies?

Perhaps but terrorists tactics would adapt too though. There'd be 120k firearms on the street that they could mug and use for themselves. The van attack part could mow down an officer, jump out and take his gun and we've now got an even more dangerous situation

There is something seedy about any bloke that moves there mind

Did he do something?

Cost a lot for no gain. It wouldn't stop someone ploughing a van into a crowd of people or a suicide bomber blowing himself up. Last night's attackers were dead within 8 minutes. Arming an standard officer in the hope that they might make a miraculous shot through a van window with a pistol and stop a vehicle attack or something just seems futile. France arms it's Police and that hasn't really helped them stave off terrorists or keep fatalities down

Base which bit on?

That's some good knowledge for somebody that hasn't done his research

So what was the point in saying this then? It's taken officers considered to be elite enough to be on a firearms team 50 bullets and they've shot a civilian. How can you possibly conclude that giving a lesser officer a pistol would do anything in this situation? Terrorists target densely populated events/social gatherings and you think a street bobby firing a pistol around might somehow be a good counter measure? It's ridiculous even before you consider the ramifications of having police with guns in non-terrorist situations.

I haven't researched it either. Awful logic, that though. Even a proper firearms officer can clip a civilian so let's arm the entire force? Lad I play golf with brought his mate along once who happens to be a copper. He threw proper little tantrums when he played a bad shot and kicked off at us when he lost his ball because we weren't helping him look for it. A total arsehole and I told my mate to never bring him along again when I'm playing. Some coppers are proper wankers. Like shite do I want them armed

And giving ordinary officers guns in the hope that they can respond to an incident in a densely populated terrorist target zone a few minutes sooner is going to do what? A firearms officer's stray bullet caught somebody last night. What is pc plod going to do ffs

Aren't they recruited on the basis of it being a gun-carrying job though? Not sticking a gun on them after-the-fact

Firearms officers are vetted, recruited and trained to a high standard. What do you think will happen if you give 125k police officers guns? It'd almost certainly cause more harm than good. I feel safe and assured when I see an armed copper now. I know he's been selected for his temperament, intelligence, abilities with a gun etc. The thought of street bobbies carrying one absolutely terrifies me tbh

The areas without any lookie lookie men

If firearms officers are resorting to spray and pray and maiming the public then that's plenty of reason to not give PCs guns

Puerto Rico is canny enough for that kind of thing if you're not looking the whole authentic experience.

Can't see it staying as low as 6 going off how it's been described either.

We've had 3 attacks with fataliities this year. When was the last one prior to these? I can't see this one being suddenly planned in the wake of the Manchester attack, simply because it seems to be a group as opposed to a lone attacker

So what has caused this sudden spike in attacks? Is it increased extremist activity or a reduction in counter-terrorism effectiveness? Have surveillance methods changed? Was the snoopers charter brought in to cheaply replace more effective/robust expensive targetted surveillance or am I being cynical?

Nah it didn't

During Ramadan, doesn't seem very holy to me

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