Dr Gloom

agree. we never should have sacked robson. that's when the rot started.

i can't see anything but a convincing home win after saturday's no-show

we need top be patient. given time, i think sam will turn is into an unnattrative but effective outfit that can challenge the top 6, which is more than we've been able to do since we sacked sbr. whether the fans and the management will give him the time to do that is another matter. i think we should, largely because i don't think we we could attract a better quality manager than sam. if the likes of mourinho or lippi fancied the job, it would be another matter.

we must have stepped aside at the last minute

wenger or mourinho. but realistically we're not going to get anyone of that calibre so we may as well give big sam some time. he's about the level of manager we can best hope to attract at the moment.

...but he's shit in midfield, the position sam has played him at all season. i agree that he's an option up front, but i'd still rank him as 4th choice at best.

big sam not wanting to admit he wasted £6m? He starts ahead of Barton and club captain Geremi in midfield though so it's not like Allardyce won't drop players he's signed. Smith starts every game though. this is what i don't understand about big sam so far. smith has consistently been our worst player this season and yet he is never dropped. i don't get it and i totally understand the crowd's reaction to the manager's decision to sub emre and n'zogbia ahead of smith and for him being chosen as sponsor's motm. i don't get what everyone rates about him. he's absolutely terrible. has contributed nowt this season.

Hard to disagree with Anal this time. agree. for once he's actually written a half decent piece

big sam not wanting to admit he wasted £6m?

who is this kid like?

agreed. we're cying out for an attacking player that can make things happen in the final third. what we could do for a class player like elano. someone in the beardsley mould playing in the hole. we haven't had a player like that for years.

undecided. he needs more time but hasn't impressed so far despite signing some decent looking players. doesn't seem to know how to set out the players at his disposal at the moment.

if we keep losing, especially at home, and the fans completely turn on allardyce, i can see ashley wielding the axe. i think sam should be given more time but he has to get the players at least looking up for the fight. we were completely devoid of bottle yesterday. it was heads down and one way traffic for 90 minutes against a below par liverpool. could have been a cricket score tbh. not good enough at home and sam will know it. surely he has to drop smith, or at least play him up front instead of midfield where he continues to contribute nothing

who and who?

that's what i thought about our euro 2008 group. depends on whether we appoint another sub standard english manager i suppose.

alan smith toon man of the match? jesus wept. the crowd howls with laughter

Weve been terrible but im not sure 7 or 8 terrible.. disagree. torres alone should have had at least 4 plus there have been plenty of other missed chances while we have created nowt all game apart from one long range effort. worst performance since the souness era imo

"one shot. we've only had one shot"

could and should have been at least 7 or 8 nil today. we've been that poor

And ? getting rid of a manager after 14 games would add another 100 weight of support to the theory that this club is a fucking cartoon of itself. this was never going to be fixed in one season let alone 14 games. indicative of the quick fix mentality of this country. You all want a plaster, when what we need is a splint. i agree with you. it's far too early to be talking about sacking him but it sounds like he's lost the crowd and on the last few performances you'd say he's lost the players too. if this continues his position will become untenable. i'd say if we'd got anything from today it would have been inspite of sam not because of him. his decision have been shocking. wouldn;t you agree?

"stayed at the reebok. you should have stayed at the reebok"

"sacked in the morning" chant scousers. cue home supprt applauding and another round of "big sam for england". .....and boos for carr as he comes on

have we created anything all match? all i can remember is a speculative 25 yard pot shot from smith in the first half. that's pretty poor...and worrying.

fuck me, torres should have had about 4