Dr Gloom

gay, straight, black, white.....hate em all

we can probably save a bit more cash if we get rid of the physio and the masseur while we're at it

the boats were offered safe landing on israeli territory in order to be first checked for weapons. the blockade exists because weapons are being brought to hamas and used against israel. the idf's reaction was excessive but i can't believe for a moment that at a time of global crisis and with its reputation at an all time low, the idf would just storm and attack a peaceful activists on an aid boat. the bat should have docked and allowed the aid to be transported to gaza. it's pretty clear from this footage that the soldiers were attacked. they responded with a heavy hand but they were provoked, no doubt.

No, just incase they are carrying illicit weapons for Palestine. wrong thread

i think i'm just going to forget about nufc until the new season. at least the world cup is there as a distraction

got to say actually i watched snakes on a plane for its comedy title and it wasn't worth it.

was thinking of giving "drag me to hell" a go tonight, if only for the comedy title. worth it?

savagery this like.

some good video analysis from tobias buck in the ft today http://video.ft.com/v/89274892001/June-1-I...flotilla-attack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTRg74Gn_Nc these are things they don't want the world to know. and it's only a small part of what happens in gaza, which is so under siege that huge convoys of humanitarian aid are passed into it every day via israeli border controls. the only thing israel refuses to allow into gaza is cement, which hamas uses to build underground tunnels and bunkers from which to attack Israel. perhaps gaza should be made free from hamas.

I don't doubt there were a few people up for a ruck but lets not pretend the poor little Israeli soldiers had no option but to defend themselves with Mac-10s. The videos are edited for a reason. the israeli soilders reacted, but there is no doubt at all that they were provoked. were the majority of those on board really peace activists? this is an interesting report. most of the idf that landed on the boat were armed with paint ball guns http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1213...121348851234252 There's 9 dead and many more injured isn't there? Dr Gloom, are you on the wind up? The Israeli army approached peaceful vessels carrying no weapons in international waters, boarded, killed 9 people, injured 60 and kidnapped 600 because they were "provoked"....anyone videoed defending themselves from the illegal attack were "provoking" them and deserved to be shot to death. Undoubtedly this is how some are portraying it, I can't imagine anyone with an ounce of intelligence or integrity (by which i mean people without a vested interest in keeping Israeli relations sweet) going along with it though. no, i'm not on the wind up. as always though there are two sides to this story. i agree that there was an over reaction from the idf but i'm not as quick to condem israel as some others. as far as israel is concerned the blockade needs to exist to stop weapons getting into gaza. remember that hamas wants israel wiped off the face of the planet. opinion in israel is divided but remember that many normal israelis back a two state solution. but putting politics and whether you're for or against israel aside, the point of discussion is how the israeli soldiers acted. i agree they were heavy handed but to say those on the boat came in peace is questionable. How much longer is this lie going to be repeated? That's not the case. It doesn't matter what the majority of people want. I have no problem with the Israeli majority. The majority of Palestinians back a two state solution too...as do their leaders. The problem is the Israeli leadership don't....why would they when America fully support them whatever war crimes they commit. i agree that netanyahu is the worst possible leader israel can have when you look at the prospects for the peace process, worse than sharon even. why do you say that's a lie? this from wikipedia: Hamas's 1988 charter calls for replacing the State of Israel with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. After the elections, in April, 2006, Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Al-Zahar did not rule out the possibility of accepting a temporary two-state solution, but also stated that he dreamed "of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it . . . . I hope that our dream to have our independent state on all historic Palestine (will materialize). . . . This dream will become real one day. I'm certain of this because there is no place for the state of Israel on this land.

I don't doubt there were a few people up for a ruck but lets not pretend the poor little Israeli soldiers had no option but to defend themselves with Mac-10s. The videos are edited for a reason. the israeli soilders reacted, but there is no doubt at all that they were provoked. were the majority of those on board really peace activists? this is an interesting report. most of the idf that landed on the boat were armed with paint ball guns http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1213...121348851234252 There's 9 dead and many more injured isn't there? yup, as always the idf reacted with a heavy hand hence the international condemnation. i don't think it was a pre-meditated shooting spree some have made out though. the footage clearly shows the "peace activists" attacking the israeli soldiers. do these guys look like they came in peace? "kill the jews" is hardly a peaceful battle cry is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKi1YeBcMw some further reading here - http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45...Israel_Wave.asp I think the use of the phrase 'peace activists' is just an attempt to make them look like hypocrites and to justify the actions of the Israelis. It was an aid mission first and foremost. I'm not anti-Jewish or anti-Israeli in any way fwiw, and I wouldn't say slogans like 'kill the jews' are anything other than deeply unpleasant. But no Jews were killed whereas 9 others were, which is worth repeating imo. Also, it'll only intensify the anti-Israeli feeling in the region and in the rest of the world. agree about that. israel doesn't help its cause with its actions and yet again it has shot itself in the foot with the heavy handed response.

I don't doubt there were a few people up for a ruck but lets not pretend the poor little Israeli soldiers had no option but to defend themselves with Mac-10s. The videos are edited for a reason. the israeli soilders reacted, but there is no doubt at all that they were provoked. were the majority of those on board really peace activists? this is an interesting report. most of the idf that landed on the boat were armed with paint ball guns http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1213...121348851234252 There's 9 dead and many more injured isn't there? Dr Gloom, are you on the wind up? The Israeli army approached peaceful vessels carrying no weapons in international waters, boarded, killed 9 people, injured 60 and kidnapped 600 because they were "provoked"....anyone videoed defending themselves from the illegal attack were "provoking" them and deserved to be shot to death. Undoubtedly this is how some are portraying it, I can't imagine anyone with an ounce of intelligence or integrity (by which i mean people without a vested interest in keeping Israeli relations sweet) going along with it though. no, i'm not on the wind up. as always though there are two sides to this story. i agree that there was an over reaction from the idf but i'm not as quick to condem israel as some others. as far as israel is concerned the blockade needs to exist to stop weapons getting into gaza. remember that hamas wants israel wiped off the face of the planet. opinion in israel is divided but remember that many normal israelis back a two state solution. but putting politics and whether you're for or against israel aside, the point of discussion is how the israeli soldiers acted. i agree they were heavy handed but to say those on the boat came in peace is questionable.

I don't doubt there were a few people up for a ruck but lets not pretend the poor little Israeli soldiers had no option but to defend themselves with Mac-10s. The videos are edited for a reason. the israeli soilders reacted, but there is no doubt at all that they were provoked. were the majority of those on board really peace activists? this is an interesting report. most of the idf that landed on the boat were armed with paint ball guns http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1213...121348851234252 There's 9 dead and many more injured isn't there? yup, as always the idf reacted with a heavy hand hence the international condemnation. i don't think it was a pre-meditated shooting spree some have made out though. the footage clearly shows the "peace activists" attacking the israeli soldiers. do these guys look like they came in peace? "kill the jews" is hardly a peaceful battle cry is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKi1YeBcMw some further reading here - http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45...Israel_Wave.asp

I don't doubt there were a few people up for a ruck but lets not pretend the poor little Israeli soldiers had no option but to defend themselves with Mac-10s. The videos are edited for a reason. the israeli soilders reacted, but there is no doubt at all that they were provoked. were the majority of those on board really peace activists? this is an interesting report. most of the idf that landed on the boat were armed with paint ball guns http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1213...121348851234252

"Peace activists" on Mavi Marmara attacking with metal batons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nRbcwnp-late...player_embedded

i was just wondering. there has been an underwhelming amount of speculation linking us with any players, even crap ones.

never bet against the sourkrauts. even when their squad is average, and it is this time, they're usually there or there abouts

Weapons Found on the Flotilla Ship Mavi Marmara Used by Activists Against IDF Soldiers

tuesday morning lethargy and blues after a big and boozy weekend taking in a wedding in essex. at least this week is only 4 days long

shame. i thought he looked like he was worth a punt. he definitely looks a lot better than best.

friday nights aren't, especially on a bank holiday weekend

mad men

the first series was good i thought - nasty nick, the lesbian guitar player and the scouse dimwit. the people were relatively normal before later series when they only started bring people in depending on how much of a total cunt they were

guy in my office just got the ipad. i wasn't that tempted. now i am. it's awesome