Dr Gloom

i actually agree with those that say we would be safe if we hadn't sacked allardyce. we would be playing horrible football mind

calm down dear - it's just a message board

it's going to be agony but i'm going to have to watch it.

i'm sure plenty around would the country would enjoy seeing a big club like us go down. likewise, there are many others that would rather come watch football at our stadium and have a day out at a town like ours instead of away days at places like stoke, hull, wigan etc. i don't think this manc wind up merchant is representative of most man u fans. sounds like a bored 13 year old who watches the match on the telly, not one of their hardcore supporters, who are mostly a decent lot.

great idea. then after a couple of years fred can sell to ashley again, who'll take us down another division before selling the club back to fred a couple of years after that...

even if manure do us a favour, i doubt we'll get the result we need. the dirty manc is on a wind up mission but he's probably right. the mancs will put out their youth team and hull will be well up for it.

if we can't beat fulham or pompey at home we're not going to turn this lot over in their own backyard are we. a draw at best but i still don't think it'll be enough. hull to beat fergie's youth team and us to go down is how i see it playing out. we don't deserve better tbh

it was a blatant red card. we're going to have to suck this one up i'm afraid

it is impossible to put a positive spin on relegation. it would be a disaster for the club and the region. the championship is not an easy league to get of. just look at other big clubs who haven't been able to get back since goign down - leeds, wednesday, forest to name just a few

modric has been consistently inconsistent. don't think he should be that high on the list. where's super kevin nolan?

Really? Both seem pretty grim to me on visits. Had a couple of good nights out in Reading. sheffield is a great day out

cliche alert: it's in our own hands. beat fulham and we should be alright

Ideally I'd replace the 3 of them. One game and Martins is a class act? Same for Viduka, etc. Owen isn't really good at anything these days either. All 3 should be on pay as you play as well. Impossible to plan when they're nearly all injured at one point. i think owen has turned into a poorer version of shearer in his latter days after injuries killed his pace. in other words, he's still a class finisher but needs chances on a plate and offers little to the general team play. unlike shearer, he doesn't have other attributes like strength and hold up play to counter his lack of mobility and pace - not worth the massive wages anymore, sadly. martins is worth keeping because is an impact player unlike any other on our books and we will probably struggle to attract a player capable of what he is occasionally capable of doing for a few seasons. we won't have the pulling power that we've had for a few years now. martins is worth keeping even if we get other strikers in to replace the likes of viduka, shola and owen. we don't have the depth to shift them all and of all of them, martins is the one i'd hang on to. I suppose I did say 'ideally', in which case I'd agree re: Martins because he's an ideal supersub but that's not really a luxury we can afford. Agree in general about Owen accept about the finishing. I'm not sure he was ever a world class 'finisher' and he certainly isn't now. They're all either finished or very ordinary imo. People take the piss out of Spurs for Darren Bent at £17m but I'd take him ahead of any of our lot including Martins (and Bent is nothing special). the thing is, do you think we could attract a player like bent anymore? do you think we'd pay his fee (i'm sure spurs would want to recoup at least £10m of the £17m they splurged), and even if we agreed a fee and matched his wages (which i doubt ashley would do), would the player want come to a side that (assuming we stay up) has only just survived relegation. i honestly don't see us signing more than one striker who is either as good as or better than martins for a while. if we were up there with everton and villa with a similar squad to those two i would agree that he would be one that we could maybe move on if better players were coming in that could help us step up to the next level. we're a way away from that though....need to survive this season and next before we let players like martins go.

Ideally I'd replace the 3 of them. One game and Martins is a class act? Same for Viduka, etc. Owen isn't really good at anything these days either. All 3 should be on pay as you play as well. Impossible to plan when they're nearly all injured at one point. i think owen has turned into a poorer version of shearer in his latter days after injuries killed his pace. in other words, he's still a class finisher but needs chances on a plate and offers little to the general team play. unlike shearer, he doesn't have other attributes like strength and hold up play to counter his lack of mobility and pace - not worth the massive wages anymore, sadly. martins is worth keeping because is an impact player unlike any other on our books and we will probably struggle to attract a player capable of what he is occasionally capable of doing for a few seasons. we won't have the pulling power that we've had for a few years now. martins is worth keeping even if we get other strikers in to replace the likes of viduka, shola and owen. we don't have the depth to shift them all and of all of them, martins is the one i'd hang on to. I beg to differ. On Owen being a class finisher and Shearer offering little in general play after that injury. owen's strike rate for us in the few games he's managed while he's been here has been good. agree he's been poor recently but then, so have all the players. shearer had more to offer in terms of general play after his injury than owen does post knee surgery, but he still didn't contribute much in terms of general play - he was often static with poor movement off the ball etc. he was really reduced to winning flick ons and playing as a targetman with his back to goal. agree that the little he had left in his locker meant it was worth building a team around him for all of those years because he was still one of the best finishers around. i think owen's game been hit so hard by his injuries that he isn't worth building a team around, especially with the wedge he's on.

Ideally I'd replace the 3 of them. One game and Martins is a class act? Same for Viduka, etc. Owen isn't really good at anything these days either. All 3 should be on pay as you play as well. Impossible to plan when they're nearly all injured at one point. i think owen has turned into a poorer version of shearer in his latter days after injuries killed his pace. in other words, he's still a class finisher but needs chances on a plate and offers little to the general team play. unlike shearer, he doesn't have other attributes like strength and hold up play to counter his lack of mobility and pace - not worth the massive wages anymore, sadly. martins is worth keeping because is an impact player unlike any other on our books and we will probably struggle to attract a player capable of what he is occasionally capable of doing for a few seasons. we won't have the pulling power that we've had for a few years now. martins is worth keeping even if we get other strikers in to replace the likes of viduka, shola and owen. we don't have the depth to shift them all and of all of them, martins is the one i'd hang on to.

i'm a bit worried about getting too carried away too. we've still got a lot to do. it's been that long since we won though it's easy to get carried away with it all

keep: martins, bassong, beye, enrique, jonas shift: barton, collocini, duff, butt, ameobi,

he's a better bet at this stage of the season than the argie

That season our starting 11 that ran them close cost less than 25mil. Hide your lack of knowledge. I like your Definition of ran them close Man Utd 89pts Tottenham 60pts Shush, he's hiding his knowledge. danny b....owned

that was a class finish by lovenkrads tbf

weird. some loser mod has edited the thread title so it has loads of vs in it. wonder who that was

true. he's unfit, slow, hasn't scored a goal in god knows how many games and yet he was still our best player tonight by a country mile. i think he's wasted his career. he should have been a world class striker - he should have chalked up league and cup titles instead of winding up at the likes of boro and us because he couldn't motivate himself to stay off the pies and keep fit.

looks like a sniper has taken him out tbh

his touch tonight was different gravy. imagine if we had a fit and hungry 26 year old viduka now? his touch and hold up play was superb all night. crying shame that he never really had the desire to be a great, instead of a good player