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I vote we lock this thread and nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

I think changing the back line is a very drastic thing to do , it also sends the wrong messages to Mbwia , who for me has had the best impact of all the new signings. (Sissoko had a good debut, but has fallen off imo). Williamson is a championship standard defender I reckon, I only want to see him when we are injured out of better choices.

I'm not so sure, I don't think Willo can handle Caroll in his current form.

Oh and don't knock Taylor He's a legend in the making - although he has his clangers - he's given us so many key tackles and goal line clearances this year - we'd be down already. I absolutely love the way he so obviously holds pride and responsibility when he puts on a toon shirt. I'd pick him over a want away liar any day.

will you stop coming into my threads and making me look an arse;-> Man City <insert blush emoticon here> I still reckon we're alright, but not comfortably obviously - but we're alright. we're alright....we're alright.... - keep saying it, it helps.

heh, yeah. I still dont think we can put that team out though either, as Colo + HBA aren't fit . It would be Perch and Williamson *Blegh* I'm not arguing mind, I think its much more realistic to add players to the team in a gradual manner, than throw them all together into a league they don't know and ask them to instantly play pardew's way.

I'm with you HF 100% - however the "2nd teamers" didnt perform and got put out on loan, who would fill all positions? I think we are in a tough place now where we don't even have the luxury of falling back to PLAN A , because the younger players got disgraced in the media by Alan Pardew himself as "Not good enough" after a handful of games - and then loaned out. ah christ, here's me thinking im optimistic - this post doesnt read that way.

I honestly still don't think Wigan have it in them to climb out. That's my bottom line , I'm not saying we are not absolutely shite at the moment - but it's not the same scenario as last time. And yeah, I would like the club to show some dignity, I'm not happy with us looking like clowns in the Southern media every time we do anything. He's effectively ROBBED 6 months wage out the club, saying hes too injured to play then sitting on a jet for hours and going to the local footie ground hes been linked to.. Nah, I'm sorry colo I did love you, but now I'll see you next tuesday. To be relegated we need to get 0 points to the end of the season, which is possible BUT , Wigan need to get at least 2 wins or a win and 2 draws from: West Brom Away, Swansea at home, Man City away and Arsenal away. Maybe I'm hopelessly optimistic, but I reckon the jobs done on 37 this year - even though it looks close, with all the shite just hovering above it.

I'm not saying that, but I am saying that due to the board mismanagement of the squad (Pardoo's got fook all to do with that) - we didn't have those players Colo, Krul, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Tiote have all been out for horribly long periods. CT, calling for the managers head with 3 games to go is absolute madness. This kind of knee jerk "I WANT WIN NOW, WE ARE WORLD BEATERS WHY ARENT WE WINNING" crap gets this clubs fans a bad name. Any club, with a squad of 12 1st team players , 2 of which are long term injured in the first half of the season - would struggle. After January - with 1st team striker left (shola doesnt count) - I'd bet the majority of managers would struggle to get 5 foreign players to instantly fit and gel in the team and its ethos. You can call Man City or something stupid like that, but they are WORLD CLASS established players - not the players we buy. (Deb perhaps excepted) Sure someone could go out and ask them to attack, but the bottom line is we were playing with 6 or 7 1st teamers and the rest 2nd team who aren't good enough - they are still going to lose. We did well in the Europa league with effectively a 2nd team as we didn't have the players (until the end). Oh and given that Ben Arfa is clearly carrying weight, unfit and not all clear from his injury - I wouldn't play him in the 1st team against a team thats likely to beat us anyway. The last thing we need is another niggling long term problem a'la Cabaye. I'd love to see him come on for the first 20 mins though, then go off - than the last 20.

heh, that was quite the rant from me... tough fortnight.

nice post CT - agree with shearer 100%

I'll just add, I still love the toon though - through thick and thin - but this is the thickest in my entire time here. The closest for me, was when Bobby was sacked and the MAJORITY of fans who sat near me all thought it was a good decision... ROFL.

I brought up my feelings that this is NOTHING to do with management, and EVERYTHING to do with the owner and his motivation for the club. HappyFace replied with other people were complaining about Pardew, which is cool - none of my mates were though. Are we avoiding the subject of Ashley because its too depressing to accept the reality that the club is not tied to the city anymore? - its a business venture by one of the greediest and most sucessful capitalist retail magnets? Blaming Pardew is fine, hes not the best manager in the world, but I happen to believe we have no chance of getting anyone decent since the Keegan trial. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence is going to check the outcome of that trial and think no way. We've got Pardew, a wafer thin squad and no real aspirations to challenge for anything decent anytime soon - because we have an owner thats looking to make a profit making company that HE can take dividends on. Getting rid of Pardew will replace him with another puppet - and have exactly the same problems. If someone comes in with a decent offer for any of our players they are gone. Why the fans didn't believe Carolls explanation of his departure fuels this denial conspiracy for me. (though I saw it as good business, its the manner it was done) Ho hum, maybe I'm just hopelessly pessimistic - the manager is irrelevant to me - the business plan for NUFC is everything. You can talk about how being affiliated with Wonga is not so bad, but thats denial too - it will make us the dogend of so many away chants - who else would touch Wonga? some lower league team who can take the bribe? Its ironic that our sponsor will have the same business plan as our owner - I bet Ashley is laughing all the way to the bank with our fans who will continue to buy the newest replica shirt no matter what the team does. Makes Douglas's comments look tame.

I think that's so harsh, I believe hes looked as good as colo at times, even though hes just arrived... weird.

I'm with keegan on his apprasal of Jonas, despite some shortcomings in his game now - he gives everything he has all game long. I have no doubt he does inspire other players to try harder when they play alongside him on the left. It's a shame, I've been a great fan of him over the years - especially his attitude over the years , but I can't see him in the first team this year. To drop our hardest working player in the current situation though isn't something I'd do.

Spot on. I never understood why he got the armband, so he shouldn't even have that responsibility. He's not looked himself for quite some time.

Look, I realise we've had 2 historically bad results at home. My problem with this statement is that you can't really argue he "has the players" in the first place, when you draft in half a first team in January and expect them to fit in. It takes Man-U a year or more to get some of its new signings (especially the prospects) going into the first team. The problem for me will always sit at the board level, whats any manager to do with 12 first team players at the start of a campaign. We all knew that just 1 or 2 injuries would crock us, we've had 5 or more. Yes, pardews baffling defensive tactics annoy, but no one was moaning last year when he was essentially the same guy. Changing managers gets us nowhere, but then we can't do anything about the board either, despite the NUST trying its best....

As many legendary performances he's had - I don't want to see him back on principle. He has nothing to do with the future of this club, he's made his intentions clear. If his flounce was based on anything that would be understandable, we would know about it. Instead we've got dodgy translations of statements made overseas and no thanks or apology to us. I am in the few who really doesn't believe we can get relegated . I dare even type in on here.

I once followed through with about 5 mins to go, playing liverpool years ago. Does that count? Why taylor williamson? Have we officially lost faith with Ywanga now?

I had a sneaky suspicion that Ba read this forum, judging by his statements during and shortly after his move. Howay the lads! I'll be there shouting them on, the useless knackered old french buggers Taylor for england might even come out if he pulls some hi-jinks. Taylor as captain next year.. come on.

The focus on getting rid of a manager again, rather than how in the hell do we get our club back from these loons who are gambling with a cities heritage.

*sings* dream on dreamer, but life gets in the way.

Please though, let it be the first half an hour , not the last when we are trailing with shola replacing someone far more effective than himself.

I didn't think he had intent, until the coverage from many angles came out the next day - and its pretty obvious that he went in to hit him hard. Maybe not break his leg, but he had intent all over his face.

it's all a bit harsh given the complete lack of investment in the summer. Seeing the January signings as a quick fix is niave imo. It's the exception to the rule that a non domestic player immediately fits into a team in the premership. Until next season (hopefully with at least another striker on the books by then) we can't judge him too harshly. He's had a crap hand for many months of this campaign - fielding the youngsters regularly at one point. Contrary to many peoples opinions, I think our "youth" team breaking through is more the players that just haven't been up to scratch after buying them as a good prospect. Marv doesn't have the right attitude - Ferguson has a lot of developing to do, Sammy never really made the impact we'd hoped for . Perhaps Brig and Campbell will break through - but the others are no where near premiership standard imo. For all his skills I think Marv would struggle even in League one , until wizard of oz style , he finds his heart and courage somewhere.