Renton

Smashing windows, knocking over bins, missing deliveries, hurting people with flying papers. You sick bastard bastard tbh.

Student power, what a shower. Yes many of them are complete tits, but if we are going to generalise, there are other groups I despise much more. However, the rich, agricultural students are the worst in Newcastle. And no I don't want your shitty wag week comic!

Obsessed tbh 40158[/snapback] Fuck of you pair of bastids tbh.

ABout the last bit, I'm not sure I agree. If Shearer was still knocking them in, I think it may be a lot worse for Ameobi. In fact, arguably he is getting his chance now but still not taking it.

Well you wouldn't would you FFS... you are just as obsessed, you just have a different opinion! Almost true, I did it once (and it was on the TV). I'm pleased I did because it sank in finally just how bad he was... something like 75% of his passes / touches went to the opposition. Still, I wouldn't expect someone like you to believe that. You haven't yet explained why no manager in the UK or overseas would pay for him when NUFC were quite obviously prepared to let him go for next to nothing. You just can't accept that you are wrong about him can you? 40147[/snapback] His wages are too high, and Souness lowered his value by slagging him off. It's not rocket science. I really, really don't want to get dragged in to another Robert argument, for the time being it is over. But to use his form this season so far as an argument against him is completely mad imo, I was just pointing that out. And no, of course I don't accept I was wrong about him, I know what Robert contributed because its written in balck and white (goal assists and goals scored). You, on the other hand are arguing from home made stats (I'm sure you said you did the counting at a home match btw, if it was away it changes things anyway), subjective opinions, and tired cliches. As robert will probably never play for us again, I (and many others) obviously will never agree with you, so why can't we just put this to bed and stop obsessing about him!

That's what I thought he meant as well - now that would be funny. Out of interest Sima, what would your post count be if it wasn't being reset?

I still can't understand why nobody would buy Robert. Why couldn't we get even £1M for him! Just because a few misguided fans had lost patience with him shouldn't stop a professional football manager seeing what he is capable of. 40120[/snapback] Obsessed tbh. I don't think I've ever seen you on a thread that wasn't about Robert. And we all know how you used to go to games and count his passes.

You raving hypocrite! (mind you it makes a nice change for you to be taking a break from your vendetta against Gemmill...) 40092[/snapback] Hypocrite? I don't think so - I didn't bring this up and start talking in tired cliches. Neither have I got a vendetta against Gemmill. If you look up a few posts, you'll find he has admitted he started this thread as a fishing trip! Sorry I bit like, but don't claim I started it. BTW Craig, it is completely laughable that you are comparing our situation to Blackburn and Portsmouth, and even more so you are attributing any failure of their sides on our ex-players. Especially since Blackburn have the same points as us and Portsmouth can leapfrog us on Saturday. Yes, we may come above both of them, and no doubt this huge achievement will confirm to you that that Souness is the bestest manager ever. But there is one tiny difference between us and them. Quite a big difference actually - about £40 million.

Agree. My front six (injury and form permitting) would be: ----------Owen--Shearer Luque---Emre--Parker---Solano Although I think it would be great to bring someone with Dyers pace on as the opposing defence tired. Also he played his best stuff alongside Nobby and Solano is talking up their partnership in the Journal this morning. 39979[/snapback] Don't really see how it would be fair, or even advantageous, to bench N'Zogbia after his recent games tbh.

Jesus wept. You've said it all before. Hundreds of times. Just let it lie will you.

Considering that they sold their one decent player during the summer it's not hard (or meaningful) tbh. More to the point, he's the best player in a team who are rock-bottom - whoopie doo! Mind you, it's only late September - plenty of time for him to become bored and not give a shit which, lets face it, IS going to happen sooner rather than later. 40021[/snapback] Portsmouth are rock bottom are they? If they beat us on Saturday they will leapfrog us, aren't you tempting fate a bit? You and Spongey seem to be forgetting that I never said that I put significance in Robert being Pompey's best player - I just think it is pretty ludicrous for Gemmill to imply their lowly league position is down to him alone, that's all. Robert's merits have been debated to death. However, despite (whatever you might think) an impressive start to the season, people who supported him have let the matter lie. But it seems the "haters" just can't resist having a pop, can they? This despite the fact that technically he is still our player, and may play for us again (admittedly not under Souness)

In a rather round about way.

Well, well, Gemmill opens a thread about Robert, and the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to have a pop at him, despite him being by far Portsmouth's best player so far this season. For God's sake give it a rest, or I'll start another Bellamy thread.

Not as good as Maradonna?

Serious high brow debate over here tbh.

39832[/snapback] Poor lass. Mind, if that's her after being airbrushed.....

I feel very strongly (as to be fair we probably all do) that the people who fought for this country should be given special status in society. Without them, nothing of our lives today would be the same. I think it's shameful how quickly we move on and assume it was just history, that's all. In arguments like this we all (myself included) tend to seek a comparison argument like a lawyer would, ie: you think x so it follows that you also think y. Arguments can get a bit carried away and miss the fact that most life is about judgement and compromise. So while I don't find everything offensive, I just feel that in this instance, the feelings of the people involved should come first. Again I don't know for sure whether veteran's groups were consulted first, but I think they should have been. 39804[/snapback] Fair enough, but without some fundamental change in the law, what you're describing is a voluntary ban, which would never happen in practice. Funnily enough, my Dad gets offended by almost all video games (not just the war, which he obviously wasn't in). He once got upset when I started bludgeoning a scientist to death with a crow bar in the original half life. They took that ability away in half life 2.

We can donate Gemmill if you'd like.

So you're in favour of banning things minority groups (whoever they might be) don't like? Interesting. 39712[/snapback] Yes Renton, that's exactly what I meant. It's a very straightforward opinion. I'll restate it. I would rather a game like this was deemed acceptable by the people it represented before our enjoyment. It's out of respect nothing more. If the war pensioners association think it's ok, then aces! FWIW I love computer games although I prefer things like Zelda. 39788[/snapback] No, you've lost me. What do you mean by "you'd rather"? Are we talking about an involuntary ban here? Because I'm sue you can see that would have far reaching implications.

I hope your not suggesting Patrick Moore is the king of all geeks. 39781[/snapback] Why like, are you staking a claim? 39783[/snapback] Ok, let's see. I have an interest in computer games, diesel locomotives, football, astronomy, science fiction, internet message boards, bird watching, and hill walking. Oh fuck.

I hope your not suggesting Patrick Moore is the king of all geeks.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking? 39744[/snapback] Mate, I've answered the second point already if you scroll back. I don't like video games generally cos i get no enjoyment from them but thats not what's informing my opinions and to be honest theres nothing I've said to have given you that impression. If thats what you think then it's based on a false premise. It's just convenient to your argument to say that. And as for banning anything thats offensive-no I don't think that obviously. I said I found them a bit sick-which is my opinion. You'll also note that I said that if you enjoy them then thats okay. Whats happening here is that you're having a problem with my opinion of what you find enjoyable and you're struggling to justify your enjoyment of it. You've made your case mate and I accept what youre saying. When you start attributing viewpoints to me which I dont hold though, then thats probably where the discussion should end. Start going round in circles then. 39750[/snapback] Fair enough, I respect yourviewpoint. I'm not struggling to justify my enjoyment of CoD though, I literally see nothing wrong in it whatsoever. I fully respect what the veterans have done as well, and, in a way, the freedom to play games like this is ironically all down to them. 39763[/snapback] You've certainly left me under no illusion that you think it's a kick ass game, soldier! 39770[/snapback] In reality, its just above average, but is too scripted for my liking. And despite how I come across in this thread, I'm not really that much into playing games any more. I'm just in the mood for a good argument!

To be fair Manc Mag, I think you are misrepresenting me. Scroll up a few replies up, and I think you'll find that I said I know your online persona well enough to know that you don't want to ban this game. Just thought I'd clear that up.

You were offended when I jokingly suggested that you'd be gutted if we won the league. In fact I reckon you cried. 39760[/snapback] True. Apart from the crying bit. Oh, and it was coming 4th too, I think.

Cool. He's the official spokesperson for that generation then is he? My grandad was in the navy and was deployed to deal with the allied assistance after Hiroshima. He can't talk about things like that-literally, you can't ask him those sorts of questions. Not that he's a spokesperson for his generation either but you get my point. 39736[/snapback] I'm not sure I do get your point. Are we to ban things because they might offend some individuals - that's the bottom line, surely? I think I know your online persona well enough to know you don't think this. Therefore I conclude you just find the concept of these games personally a bit distasteful, and you are dismissive of video games as an art form. Am I right in my thinking? 39744[/snapback] Mate, I've answered the second point already if you scroll back. I don't like video games generally cos i get no enjoyment from them but thats not what's informing my opinions and to be honest theres nothing I've said to have given you that impression. If thats what you think then it's based on a false premise. It's just convenient to your argument to say that. And as for banning anything thats offensive-no I don't think that obviously. I said I found them a bit sick-which is my opinion. You'll also note that I said that if you enjoy them then thats okay. Whats happening here is that you're having a problem with my opinion of what you find enjoyable and you're struggling to justify your enjoyment of it. You've made your case mate and I accept what youre saying. When you start attributing viewpoints to me which I dont hold though, then thats probably where the discussion should end. Start going round in circles then. 39750[/snapback] Fair enough, I respect yourviewpoint. I'm not struggling to justify my enjoyment of CoD though, I literally see nothing wrong in it whatsoever. I fully respect what the veterans have done as well, and, in a way, the freedom to play games like this is ironically all down to them.