Renton

I was only asking, no need to get on the defensive. I have noticed from experience that usually the people who blame the fans for poor results don't actually go to games. If that's not you, fine. Oh, and I don't hate southerners, I have known and worked with many over the years, most of whom were sound. I hate patronising cockney wankers, like Sewell and Winner. There's a difference. And you have to admit, there are a lot of this ilk in London, which frankly, is a shit hole.

Yes, and I bet you don't want anyone of an ethnic persuasion coming and stealing your women either do you!? FWIW, there's a fair few northerners in London....it's called moving. 27460[/snapback] Divvent try and make him sound racist man. 27462[/snapback] Well, he is. I'm southern, and he wouldn't want me here based only on that fact. That's entirely what racism is, believing a group of people are all bad and not seeing them as individuals. 27464[/snapback] So, being Southern, do you actually go to matches, or is this another example of an armchair pundit blaming Newcastle's performance on the matchday fans (like NJM)? An honest question, I'm not interested in one of these pathetic "I'm a better fan than you" threads. Living in Newcastle, I feel very little connection with the South, as illustrated by the program tonight. Give me Edinburgh over London anytime - and it's only an hour away by train. For that matter, give me Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, or Glasgow over London - all nearer and much more friendly and enjoyable. And no need to put up with patronising cockney wankers. Winner is an odious turd, but you can tell he is just saying shit like that to make the headlines. Sewell is a different matter - I think he generally believes what he says, for instance when he said tonight it would be best for the North to be wiped out by a plague so it could be demolished. I hope the cunt dies an agonising death very soon.

Chastised? Some want to string up the SMB 3!

Robson can be quite petty when he falls out with someone. And he never admits he is wrong. So I guess he will say it is a backward move, even if, deep down, he might think he made a mistake. A mistake which in my opinion tipped the balance against him and earned him the sack! Btw, is it true Nobby has retired from the international scene?

Class! 26430[/snapback] What tune is that to? 26438[/snapback] You were an 80's boy shirley? Culture Club. 26442[/snapback] Well that's just GAY!

Class! 26430[/snapback] What tune is that to?

Not like me to be the pessimistic one. 26358[/snapback] Did Renton and you mix up medications? Will we see Renton posting some upbeat endorsements regarding the manager now? 26362[/snapback] Even the finest heroin money can buy wouldn't get Renton doing that. 26368[/snapback] You're right, I'm as happy as Larry (who the hell is Larry anyway) over the signings, but will never support Souness, unless he performs a miracle and becomes a good manager. But I see these signings as giving him more rope. He won't be here much longer, and then we really can get going.

This is precisely why I renewed - you never know what's round the corner with this club, and I want to be there when good things happen. Having said that though I gave my Fulham ticket away on Saturday night, and will now miss Owen's first game without recompence.

And he truly loves the club, and can sell it, even when we are shit! It's only one aspect of management of course, but team him up with a good coach, like Mike Newell, and we might be on to a winner, I think.

Just look at that grin on his face - back wherehe belongs, I say. 26216[/snapback] woohoo !!! is he going to pick up number 4 ??? or is Nicky Butt still registered with it? 26283[/snapback] Yep, he's our number 4!

Erm no, SBR categorically says in his book he binned Solano basically because he thought he was past it and resented his trips to Peru. He also has a really sly dig about his committment to Villa later on in the book, and imo makes himself sound like a spiteful idiot in the process. As you can tell, I am still far from happy with Robson's actions in the affair, and you know, ultimately it probably cost him his job.

I'm not going to give Souness that much credit yet tbh. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Michael Owen is talented, we were all aware of how good Parker was. Souness didn't provide the money, and from what I can tell, it was Shearer that got most the players here. Our results have still been f*****g terrible over the last year - that is what Souness is employed for - to get results. Now he has his team, he has no excuses. If the results don't come (at least to get us back to where we were) then he has to go, simple as that. There is absolutely nothing unfair about it either, I really don't see how anyone can say he has been badly treated. I look forward with interest to Fulham (which unfortunately I'm going to miss).

Seems to me we are definitely building a team for Shearer. And you know, it might just work. Shepherd is really rubbing Robson's face in it now though. First of all, giving Souness a fortune to spend, and then getting back Nobby.

That would be a very lame excuse. 26037[/snapback] It's true though. Tbh, you wouldn't compare the Liverpool sides in the 70's and 80's to Chelsea now... or would you? This knowing the defence of the opponents was much worse, with no foreigners playing. 26147[/snapback] And what? Other teams have improved, so has Newcastle. And we are talking about a period of four years, not several decades. Signing the likes of Luque and Michael Owen and then say that teams like Bolton have become better is utter nonsense in my opinion. The ambition has to be challenging for a CL place . And that's what even Souness himself said yesterday. By this standard has he to be judged now, starting at the game against Fulham. 26154[/snapback] Hey I wasn't really saying that to argue against your point (sorry, it did look like it), just saying now the top teams will always be improving as they buy new players, and won't be compared to teams of years ago. But yeah this is only a period of 4 years so I stand mistaken. However it's not just the quality of the players that make the difference, it's greatly down to the morale and skills of the management among other things, which could eb partly why Liverpool finsihed below Everton. If the players are not giving 100% or near that (Butt, Robert etc.) or having fights on the pitch it's no surprise the team's results won't be as good. Now with a some world-class players, the most likely excuse for bad results is the manager, and with just a couple of bad results, he'll be looking for work. 26173[/snapback] I think that's what Isegrim was saying - Souness now has no excuses. How many other managers have been backed to the tune of 45 million in less than a year? This is the difference between us and teams like Bolton - or even Liverpool for that matter. I am over the moon with these signings, though I can't help think it is wasted on Souness. Our next investment must be a good manager - look at the players we have to tempt him with! But its a win win situation really. If we start picking up results (and by this I mean become at least a top 5 team), then that's great. But if we don't, Souness will get sacked and someone else will get us up there, I am confident of that.

No chance mate. I voted Celtic, split between them an St Mirren. Saw Hearts at the weekend, believe me, the SPL is way worse than the EPL. If Hearts are the best the division has to offer I pity you!

Yup thats God telling you not to be so pessimistic. 25357[/snapback] Somebody better check Wullie's alright......

It was so humid on the metro it was unbelievable. Then when I got off at Tynemouth, at about 6.10 it was pitch black with the street lights on. I had no option but to walk home without a jacket. But getting pissed on didn't bother me too much - I was convinced I was going to get struck by lightning! There were bolts flying off left, right and centre! You know when you hear thunder immediately after the flash, and it actually sounds like the sky is being torn apart, before there's a huge boom? Well, I experienced about 10 of them in two minutes. The nearest struck a house about 100 feet away. I was temporarily blinded and my ears popped. I was just shitting myself waiting for my hair to stand on end, which is apparently the last thing you feel before you're fried. I now need to change my underwear as well as all my outer clothes. Wierd as well. When I got back home, virtually everything that needs electromagnetic radiation wasn't working - Sky, the radio, my mobile, my wireless LAN, the internet or my land line. Now the lightning's receding everything's come back on line.

As for why Robson never won anything here, I don't know, nobody does. 24806[/snapback] You make my point perfectly. Track record means very little once you join a new club. Let's just get behind the manager and the team and see what happens. 24817[/snapback] Utter bullshit, it means everything, otherwise I may as well be the next manager. I'm not rising to your bait anymore, either you a wum or a complete cretin, either way you're not worth talking to.

You fail to adress my point, which is that Robson is clearly a far superior manager to Souness, who time and time again has proven himself to be shit. We should have got a superior one, not a worse one! You think two tin pot cups in 13 years makes Souness a suitable candidate for us, to me it speaks volumes. As for why Robson never won anything here, I don't know, nobody does. It's very hard to win the league now and he never took the league cup seriously. He had some bad luck in the FA cup, we came very close in 2000. But that's besides the point. Souness is our manager, and the only thing you can think of to back him up is that he won the league cup at Blackburn. Well whoopy do! I see you have proved you have no concept of tactics, well done for knowing what an online dictionary is though!

You're definitely right about people being too hard on him when he first came. A lot of people had made their minds up before he'd even managed one game. To be fair the jury is still out, but he certainly wasn't given a fair crack of the whip by a lot of people. 24634[/snapback] Definitley mate. I think Parker, Luque and Emre are collectivley better signings than Owen for £17m but even last week Souness was being called every name under the sun? The team was booed off on Sunday and the Souness out campaign continued. Yet suddenly signing Owen sounds as if everyone thinks your troubles will go. They won't. He's forging an excellent first team (squad ain't great) and brought in players to play good football and he's won a HUGE PR battle with the signing of Owen but things wont click into place overnight. Owen will have a miserable time feeding off scraps (he did that enough after 2001 with Houllier). Newcastle need some patience I think. I've backed you for 6th place personally. 24646[/snapback] Patience is one of the key ingredients to a successful side IMO! 24654[/snapback] Not when you have the wrong man it isn't. Once again you have shown your complete ignorance by comparing Souness's utterly shit CV with Bobby Robsons . You really are a fool. 24687[/snapback] 24693[/snapback] I'll make it very easy for you. Bobby Robson came with a very high pedigree to Newcastle. He had won some trophies (but not nearly as many good ones as people think). Graeme Souness came to Newcastle with a lower pedigree. He too had won some trophies. Robson won nothing in 5 years, with massive backing from the board. Nothing. Not even a tin pot trophy out in Malaysia. During the same period, Graeme Souness managed to win the Worthington Cup at lowly Blackburn, a feat that were it to be repeated on Tyneside would make him a legend. Stop calling me a fool. 24713[/snapback] Winning the FA cup with Ipswich, winning the UEFA cup with Ipswich, coming runners up in the league at Ipswich, getting to the semifinal of the world cup, winning the dutch league, winning the portuguese league, winning the cup winners cup with Barcelona, and getting us established in the top 5 of the EPL and the second phase of the CL. Yeah, you can really compare that to winning a few things in a two horse league, winning the FA cup at Liverpool (and systematically wrecking the club), winning a literally worthless cup at Galatasary, and the mickey mouse club at Blackburn (before destroying said club). Getting sacked from every job bar rangers, giving Newcastle their worst ever league position since being promoted. Get real, if you think they compare as managers you are an utter fool.

Are you Souness? Because it's clear from that sentence you don't know what tactics are, or indeed your arse from your elbow!

You're definitely right about people being too hard on him when he first came. A lot of people had made their minds up before he'd even managed one game. To be fair the jury is still out, but he certainly wasn't given a fair crack of the whip by a lot of people. 24634[/snapback] Definitley mate. I think Parker, Luque and Emre are collectivley better signings than Owen for £17m but even last week Souness was being called every name under the sun? The team was booed off on Sunday and the Souness out campaign continued. Yet suddenly signing Owen sounds as if everyone thinks your troubles will go. They won't. He's forging an excellent first team (squad ain't great) and brought in players to play good football and he's won a HUGE PR battle with the signing of Owen but things wont click into place overnight. Owen will have a miserable time feeding off scraps (he did that enough after 2001 with Houllier). Newcastle need some patience I think. I've backed you for 6th place personally. 24646[/snapback] Patience is one of the key ingredients to a successful side IMO! 24654[/snapback] Not when you have the wrong man it isn't. Once again you have shown your complete ignorance by comparing Souness's utterly shit CV with Bobby Robsons . You really are a fool.

Which is worse than where Robson finished, despite a spend of 45 MILLION quid. I take it you are too young to remember what Souness did to Liverpool, he is doing exactly the same to us but twice as fast. He has had his chance, and failed more miserably than Dalglish or Gullit - that is a fact. Being a scouser you won't know the half of what Souness has done to our club and what its now like to watch us. I have waited over half a year now to see us win in the league! If we don't win the next two games I think he will be gone. That's not a fact, but it's what I like to think.

Liverpool sold him for 8m cos he was in the last year of his contract. If you look at the money that changes hands for top top strikers, we didn't get a bargain, but we certainly didn't overpay to the extent that's being suggested - most people are comparing what we paid to what Real paid and that's not a realistic comparison. 24390[/snapback] Agreed. My God this medication is amazing!

I don't dispute that the fans and Shearer played a huge part, but the money they were able to play and the tactics of the deal came from the board. Yes some of it is the fans money, but there are lots of clubs with lots of fans and they can't do deals like we were able to yesterday. 24372[/snapback] It was all paid for by the fans, aren't you aware that Shepherd and Hall actually take millions out the club each year? And what do you think motivated Shepherd to splash the cash? Happy clappy idiots like you, or pissed off fans not renewing their season tickets? Shepherd is half way back to redemption in my book - he will arrive there when he sacks that clueless tosser who is the manager!