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Renton

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  1. I think thats the point though, I can post something that makes sense but based on the version of events I choose to believe. There are only a handful of people that know the full truth and they are all police. However, Im more willing to believe the official version for a number of reasons. 1. Numerous witnesses at the time said he was wearing a big heavy coat, I remember hearing an interview with a bloke who was on the train which was made literally minutes after the event, no time for him to be briefed or 'got at' just the words of a very shaken man. 2. I've been in too many tube stations to know that you cant get in without either a ticket or jumping the barrier. Are you saying that he went and bought a ticket while being chased? 3. Again, witnesses say they heard the police shouting, as said before, three men running with guns and not identifying themselves as police would be seen, there'd be panic and people would have been shouting this out afterwards to whoever would listen. 4. And the most important point...why? what reason would the police have to be trigger happy? they know what happens whenever they shoot someone, theres always an inquiry, always the truth comes out. At some stage the truth will come out, unfortunately even when it does and all the facts show they did everything right then people will just make out that they've fiddled it, glossed over the facts and are spinning the truth. Officialdom never wins in these cases, people will always choose to believe that the world is big brother and police are there to harass us and do their own thing. Thats not aimed at you personally Renton just a generalisation of certain elements of this country. 4647[/snapback] But what you've given there is just more speculation, there will be an independent investigation which will find the truth hopefully. Eye witness accounts are notoriously innacurate. I lost a wing mirror to a twat hit and run driver on Sunday driving back from the lake district, and although my wife was with me and we obviously both saw it, we couldn't agree on the make or even colour of the offending car! Some say the victim had a heavy coat on, others say it was denim jacket, others say he had wires coming out his pockets. They can't all be right, but I do ask myself why would he be wearing a heavy coat in London in summer? Even being from Sau Paolo, he'd have been uncomfortably hot. It has also been reported he had a travel pass, which he used to get through barriers legitimately. The police were plain clothed, and many witnesses say they did not announce they were police. Who's to see how anyone would react if a bunch of men with guns started running after them? Panic does strange things. As for your last point, all I'm saying is that it may have been an avoidable mistake, this is what the enquiry will find. Mistakes happen, as exemplified by the chair leg incident Rob W keeps reminding us off. I'm certainly not suggesting it was a deliberate murder, but on the other hand justice to the deceased must be done, and must be seen to be done, otherwise the terrorists have won; they have changed us into a police state where the police can shoot anyone of us without fear of consequence. On a broader note this is what scares me most, we can't let a few nutters change our values or the way we live, but that is what's happening already. We need a measured response to this problem, and it is vital we don't let the terrorists take from us what is most important, our freedom. OK, that was a bit Braveheart!
  2. Do you live in the dome or the lighthouse Sned?
  3. Regarding that last sentence, we won't know all the facts until there has been a proper independent investigation, you are selectively citing one version of events, one that makes the police's actions look reasonable. There are various other contradictory "facts" at the minute, such as people saying he was wearing a denim jacket (not padded), that he didn't jump over any barriers, and that the police never identified themselves. It's perfectly possible the police were trigger happy in this incident, we'll have to wait and see which could take months or even years.
  4. 9 individuals agrees with it, 5 of these strongly. This poll is no where near well enough powered to draw sweeping extrapolations like that, there is a real chance the survey is unrepresentative. It wouldn't surprise me if 9 people in it couldn't even read or write to be honest. Repeat it with 10.000 people and you might get your answer. Incidentally, if they surveyed the white population about shooting all muslims or something, what do you think the positive response rate would be? Judging from internet forums, pretty high I would imagine.
  5. I'm not a fan of Souness in particular but I have to agree with what you say. 3947[/snapback] In a way I agree too, Souness is a shit manager but you can hardly blame him for taking the job, especially when he was about to be sacked at Blackburn. Mind you, I do also think that Souness could turn the Brazilian national side into relegation fodder. Shepherd really should have three jobs; appoint the right man, support him financially and shut the fuck up. Unfortunately he seems increasingly incapable of doing any of these with any competency whatsoever. Unfortunately Shepherd is unaccoutable to anyone and there is no mechanism to get rid of him. This is why I'm permanently depressed about the state of our club.
  6. I'm going, I was very surprised to get tickets for our last ever match (probably) at Highbury, given that I never have got them before. The people at the box office said it was undersubscibed, so tickets should go on general sale. I was going to go by coach but given the ridiculous starting time (4 am I think), I'm going by plane instead (cheaper than the train, even with BA), staying over one night. Should be good except the match itself, which could well turn into a nightmare. But you never know.....
  7. You just click on the quote button below the post rather than above it. 3920[/snapback] Cheers, that makes sense now.
  8. Damn, going to take a while to get used to all this new fangled functionality. Any tutorials anywhere?
  9. I have you know I was invited, twice!
  10. You missed out that he said that qualification for the UEFA cup was vital, and then went on to say that we had reached the semifinals in the previous two years. The chief Newcastle journalist of the Evening Chronicle doesn't even know how far we got in the UEFA cup last year.
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