wolfy

I actually agree that there is a centre of Earth that is super hot, except it's not inside a solid ball, in my honest opinion. Do you agree,as regards the mars atmosphere that a parachute would be absolutely pointless?

I don't know what you mean by asking me to explain up and down when I've just explained it as a push on push. I'll give you another example then I'd liek you to explain up and down with your gravity, fair enough? Air pressure is more dense at our feet than it is at our heads. It's more dense at our heads than it is up a mountain and so on, because molecules are in a much more compressed state below due to the stack of molecules above, meaning every dense object/matter in that environment has to push against that.....UP. If matter is pushed up with more energy, for example: a ball. It will displace it's own area of molecules for as long as the energy is greater than the resistance of the push against it. Once that happens, the ball itself becomes more dense than the molecules it displaced, under it, so it falls back to where it came from. Once it falls, it encounters the resistance of the molecules under it which flow over the ball and around it because the ball has compressed the molecules into a higher pressure than above and that pressure always equalises behind the ball. Your body is reliant on the pressure it's up against for it to work and your balance is geared to be stood on your feet and not your head, because your life blood is being pushed around your body through pressure which starts with breathing. When you use energy to breathe in, your body expands against the atmospheric pressure. You make your area larger, so the pressure you push against by doing that, immediately pushes back. It crushes you and forces the air back out of your body, which makes you use your energy again to push back...and so on. For anyone to understand what's really happening, they have to channel their minds into the simplictity of what's really happening. I can explain gravity in every way, no matter what...by atmospheric pressure and I welcome anyone to try and stump me. What I would like from you, Renton, is to explain to me what gravity is, if you don't mind.

What I'm telling you requires you to think differently to what you've been schooled with by mainstream indoctrination that all of us have been saturated with all our lives. Take some time to think of the sponge ball analogy and you might understand it. If you can't , then no problem. Not all people will get it, especially when they are heavily reliant of fictional gravity.

At sea level the molecules are compressed, more dense. The reason for this is a stack. Remember the push on push? I'll make it simpler to understand so you get what I'm saying. Let's assume that all molecules are sponge balls. Imagine being underground, under a big football stadium. We will call this, the Earth. You are underground pushing sponge balls into that stadium. It's easy at first, until you start to fill the stadium up with every ball you push up. Every time you do it, your ball is now getting compressed, which is compressing against the ball above and above that. The first balls you pushed up are fully expanded because they are on top. The last balls you push up, you have to push hard to try and push the weight of the balls in that stadium that are putting huge resistance against your push as you are against it. By the time you manage to fill that stadium, the balls at the top are under no friction, because they don't have anything but their own mass working against them. Now imagine you being put into that as a new born baby and growing into that pressure. You have to be strong and your body has to be strong enough to withstand the pressure, which it does because your body equalises with it. You're a lot stronger than you think. The only problem is, we don't appreciate how strong our bodies are, because we are used to the environment we are in. Your body adapts to change in pressures. In the short term it's acclimatisation when you go to a different country at a higher plain. Everything you do you are pushing against atmospheric pressure which is pushing right back with equal force. Nothing works without that happening. No rockets, no planes...you...trees griowing or whatever. You live in your own ocean just like fish live in theirs, except our ocean is a lot less dense.

Logic, by looking into all of what we were told and piecing together the potential realities of the reasons behind a lot of stuff. Gravity was a massive one for me. Once I realised it didn't exist and knew it was atmospheric pressure, everything started to fit into place.

Nah; I spent too long trusting all that stuff. It's why I decided to use my own thinking.

I never said it would be easy to grasp. I mean we can just accept that the huge stones were shipped in and carried to the spot by little men in loin cloths as a worship to the sun if it's easier. The problem is, that makes no logical sense. The Earth makes no logical sense with what we are told about it and what it was about in ancient times. There's one bloke inventing a pen out of a burdy quill not that many hundreds of years ago and yet Eratoshenes in 270 BC was crayoning his findings about Earth's circumference whilst making sure his mate was on the phone letting him know that he has his little stick planted in the deck where he was told to, about 500 miles away. Lol History makes no sense in how we have been told. They simply use names and make out they were this and that from blah blah time as if they were top scientists...and yet here we are sending rovers to mars that even tweet what they're doing, yet a little kids remote control car lost signal when it went a bit too far away. I suppose it's about trusting the person in the white overall with letters after their name, I suppose.

How the Earth came about is the question everyone would like to know, whether they think it's flat, concave, hollow, a sphere, or whatever. As far as that's cocnerned, it's a case of, how long is a piece of string. Let's assume it appeared for whatever reason. What do I think it was like from that point. My theory is, it was actually matter so dense and small that it basically caused super friction within itself, which caused it to expand from the inside, eventually forcing out gases and liquids over time, whilst building up more and more widespread friction, churing out more and more liquid and gases, splitting them all into their respectuive elements. The lighter gases would be forced up creating a skin against the vacuum that the small Earth is in. As it grew over time, more elements were spread out and sorted into lighter or less dense matter due to the glow of the friction in it's centre. This is constantly happening and will always happen, as nothing gets destroyed, just recycled over time. The ice ages are real. The warming of the Earth is real and the floods are real, which has happened many many times, over and over again. I'm not talking religious stuff here, I'm talking about a natural cycle of Earrth. We get told a lot of truths. We just aren't told them in the right way. They are disguised for whatever reasons. I'm going into outlandish mode now for most of you, if I wasn't already. We aren't the only time humans have inhabited Earth, Atlantis is real. A lot of the stuff you are shown, including the pyramids and how they were built and for what reasons, are dis-info. Is anyone familiar with the nazca lines? The drawings of animals that are so huge they can only be seen from a plane? How many think that the pyramids were burial chambers for Egyptian kings? What about the size of the stones that some of the pyramids were built from? Do you think that thousands of slaves managed to cart them up the nile and erect them, seriously? The answer to all of these questions are outlandish but more true to me than any other explanation. It's about picking the bones out of what we are told about our history and being told aliens build this and that. The alien ruse, is a clever trick, because it keeps people's belief in space. I think all people have heard the story of David and Goliath, right. Just historical fantasies, right? What about Jason and the Argonauts? What about Talos, the big statue that came to life. Let's start with the growing Earth. As it grows, it uses up more and more of it's resources, as far as us needing them to survive, because it's central sun is eating up hydrogen which the salty sea provides, as well as oxygen, etc from the atmosphere, sucking it all in like a big vortex , making the centre of Earth super low pressure that is always being replenished, causing the winds we feel as it swirls around. The fact that it's using up it's resources,as in taking out the hydrogen from the sea, it's also building in size. Expanding, until it cannot expand anymore. What happens from that point is - the Earth starts to shrink as the sun starts to lose energy. It will do this quickly, only Earth's quick will be maybe a thousand years from now, maybe more, maybe less. Sounds bat shit crazy, right? I know, I know, you don't need to remind me. The next time you look at a fly and think it's only got a short life span, try and think how that fly views it's life. That life to a fly could be our 70/80/90, etc years to us, only we see it in fast motion. How many times have you tried to swat a fly or catch the fly and wondered how the little git can avoid your quick hand? What about if that fly sees you in such slow motion that it's like you avoiding a karate kick off a tortoise. See what I mean? The reason I'm saying this, is because what we see as a longish life to ourselves, it's just a mere flies existence in terms of the Earth. It's like lighting a large fire and being amazed that it's still alight after 5 days. The sun is like that to us, except we think it's going to glow forever or for billions of years. That's how brainwashed we are. We probably don't need to know the real truth of it all, as it may scare us. So what happens as the sun starts to lose energy? The Earth cools down and gets more dense which adds more pressure to the oceans, which start to flood the lower land. In Atlantis time it did just that and forced people to abandon those cities to move to higher ground. The thing is: what were those people like that lived further down into the bowl that was flooded? They were giants. They needed stronger bodies to cater for the higher pressures. How tall? Maybe 50 feet tall, maybe more and ranging in size, the higher people lived. This is how the pyramids were built. Not by slaves in their thousands - but by giants. The same as the nazca lines were like your kids carving their names in massive letters into the sand, only they were huge and towered over those drawings. They were maybe as big as how a mouse would see us now. That's the reason why us small fry cannot see the drawings. This is why temples carved into rock had massive door ways. It's why stonehenge is the way it is, because these places were seats to these people. They are unreal erected stones to us. The pyramids were build like we would lay heavy blocks. The dinosaurs were simply lizards of that time with animals that were huge but only normal to the giant people of those times. We really don't know the reality of it all. I might be not exact in how I'm describing but I genuinely believe that it's on those lines and it's got nothing to do with religious beliefs, as I don't follow religion, I follow logic, even though this logic will...I'm sure, be scorned and scoffed at. That's your right though and I have no issues with it. Just take a bit of time to delve into it, if you're interested. If you take a look at the peopel around Earth's circle, up higher elevations, you will notice the differences in size from sea level to higher plains. that's just today. I have a feeling that the Earth is due for anotehr replenishment, basically putting everything back, only to start again. It's almost like a cell about to go dormant, however long that will take. Deciper the history books and the written bible, not in a religious way but in a logical way. It's all there. The stories told are simply told in a different form from the real story but the clues are there if you can think.

Magic crystals? Have a look at what people wear as jewellery, like the little diamonds and other precious stones. How precious are they really and where could they be in abundance and on a big scale? What I have said makes a hell of a lot more sense than a rotating globe in a vacuum, heated by a big burning sun in that vacuum, 93 million miles away.

If gravity isn't understood, then how did they manage the moon landings? It's easy to just say they are not understood, yet they appear to absolutely know how gravity works on everything. It's a scientific cop out by them. And to say it's an unfinished project should tell anyone the reason why. It's because it isn't what we are told it is. It's made up to account for space. There's nothing anyone can hit me with about gravity that I can't explain by atmospheric pressure, unless they use the pretence of space. The thing is, it's about logically looking at it and seeing the reasons for the simplicity, that they are. If gravity is so weak on a rotating ball, then why is it holding all the oceans and all of us, plus buildings? If it's so weak, then why can the piddly moon with 1/6th of the not fully understood gravity pull at the oceans? You are being told lies, in my opinion. It's dis-info to cover up the reality of what is happening - and that is, gravity is actually atmospheric pressure and the Earth is not a 1000 + mph rotating globe. Think about it all. I mean, why the hell should Earth rotate on a 23.5 degree angle around a so called sun? It makes no sense, because it's all made to fit a lie. Look at it all with a critical mind and you will see that it's a big bunch of fantasy made up science to make us all believe we know what the entirety of our Earth is, when it's likely we don't even know the half of it.

I can explain and have explained what gravity is. You have not been explained to by mainstream science as to what it is, yet you accept it. The only reason gravity stays as a force, even an unknown one, is because people like to believe in space. Lose gravity and you lose space. The star trek fans wouldn't be happy.

If I was paranoid about the world I would probably seek help. If I wanted people to believe me so badly, I would be frustrated. I'm neither - in the way people want to think. I'm simply questioning indoctrinated schooling in any shape or form, it doesn't mean I'm going to walk about with a loud speaker in a shopping centre proclaiming that the world is a lie. I can go about my business exactly the same as anyone and think nothing of what I'm typing on a forum. It's a past-time for me like this football forum is for anyone who joins it or simply views it. Just because I don't follow theoretical protocol, does not mean I go about life any different. It's how people percieve someone like me who questions stuff, as they have a image in their heads that I'm someone who sits in a pub spouting off that all is not what we think, so there - so stop believing it all. Dismiss every single word if that's how you feel. You're not in any way forced to even give a second to what I say, even to think against what you believe you know. All I'm doing is putting my thoughts into type for people to view and if it makes people think or they are interested, then fine. It makes for decent chat. It will be a pain for others, I suppose. Especially those that have absolutely no interest in any of this stuff and who can blame them. After all, we all have lives to live, so who wants to spend it by thinking like this when you can be out drinking or whatever. The fact is, there's people on here all the time and all kinds of topics spring up that garner interest from some; that others won't go near. It's the nature of the beast.

If you give yourself time, maybe you will understand what I'm getting at. I don't expect anyone to simply just grasp it all and banish what they were told to the bin. I'm simply saying that it's worth exploring the possibility of things not being what we are told, even if it's just for clarity. Some people can do this and others outright refuse to and would rather stick to the model that's been pieced together over time. Let's face it: it's easier to argue in favour of a model that has had all the trimmings added to it than to argue against it like I'm doing, because I can't just use google or wiki or whatever to counter- argue. I have to use what I've put together myself and argue against the model given out by taking it apart. I always entertain the possibility that I'm wrong on a lot of stuff. There's stuff that I believe I'm 100% correct on. One of them is that gravity is made up. Just from this alone, it renders space exploits as fantasy and also renders the supposed planets as fantasy, which means they have to be something else, which they are. They are reflections of light from our very own Earth sun, not physical bodies just floating about in a vacuum. Anyway: I'll try and address your questions on "professional" astronomers and "they." First of all, we can look at the amount of scientists all over the world and decide that there's far too many of them for things not to be what's told. The problem is, most people assume that the world is full of astrophysicists or professional astronomers. I'd say they take up a small percentage of the Earth in numbers. Amateur astronomers will be in abundance, ranging from, maybe yourself, to a young kid with his first telescope. They can see all kinds of things flying about in the sky and assume they are what is told, as in large buring rocks/asteroids, meteors, etc. To them, that's it. All they need to do, is look. Same as looking at points of light against a dark sky. All a telescope is - is a large magnifying glass. It's hardly going to bring what they believe is a star, any closer. Basically it's easy to fool people. So what about the ones on the mountain tops? Well, it depends on how anyone wants to look at that. For me, they know whats what. Now when I say, "they" I mean the people who operate them. All you need is a bunch of people that value money more than truth and you have your spin in place. It worked with Armstrong - although he did seem to carry a massive burden of guilt all his life. Maybe one man with a conscience that didn't quite get to spill his guts, except for a few cryptic messages. So who are the real, "they"...? The truth is, I don't know: but someone is running the show and it isn't government puppets. At a guess, I'd have to deduce that the people who feed the domesticated dogs, have full control over those dogs. So what could it mean? Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world. So who's in charge and who are "they"..? It's up to how you interpret stuff and how trustworthy you believe official lines are, on any level. Brian Cox: I believe - is just a paid puppet, just like many others. They are there to make sure that we all sit open mouthed at the mis-information they give out. That doesn't mean that Brian Cox is a liar, it could be that he's reading the scripts and assuming they are what they are.... Truth. It's not easy to fathom all this stuff out as there's a minefield to step through with lot's of info givers that can scramble anyone's head and it's about who can decipher which one's are playing the game and those that are seeing through that game. I don't know all of the answers to it all. I can only speculate, because I don't have any direct evidence, just as no one else has, except for those who really know what's what. It doesn't stop a person making logical assumptions or piecing together potential realities from potential fabrications. The obstacle is - anyone doing that, is called a loner or a nut job by default.

A vacuum chamber is the evacuation of air pressure. It's not a true vacuum. A true vacuum cannot be made on earth. You accept this, right? Ok, so now we deal with objects dropped in a very low pressure chamber, of by now extremely more expanded molecules - not dense as in under normal atmospheric sea level conditions In that chamber, before something is dropped, it has to be held up in that chamber. That takes energy, whether that's a clamp or whatever. Once dropped, it has very little resistance to stop the push of it's density through that expanded - and much less atmospheric friction, so naturally it will drop much faster. For anything to fall, it first has to be pushed up by energy - an action. Once that energy ceases to be a push up energy (as in release of a clamp) then the density takes it's place back from where it came which is in the heavier part of the atmosphere, which happens to be the ground. That's why the coin and feather works in the same environment of an evacuation chamber. The penny and the feather are under extreme low pressure as they are raised in the chamber ready for drop. Once they are both dropped, the penny and feather fall fairly close together to the deck. The penny still wins but it's tight. The reason is simple: It's because a feather is designed to resist the air pressure under it by the spread of it's area but there is little air, so it simply falls back to where the energy pushed it from under very little resistance - which is the deck. Same as the penny. No gravity involved. It's atmospheric pressure and density, in any form, as long as there is some pressure, which there always is, on Earth. To understand it, people have to clear the gravity explanation from their minds, even if it's just for a short period, so they can grasp what I'm saying. Holding onto gravity will simply make people refuse to look at the simplicity of what I'm saying. Earth science is made difficult for a reason. It's to stop people finding the true nature of it. I mean - let's face it - we are all caged in our own areas that we call streets for most of our lives. Even going to the pub or nighclub is just another box we go to. the nearest we see of the Earth is from 35,000 feet from a plane window above clouds, then land at a destination to go into another box and then to the beach or whatever. It appears like freedom but it's limited, isn't it. It's basically an open prison, where we get to see what we are allowed to see. Your passport dictates where you go, so how can we figure out what we are on? Those big mountain top telescopes are the key to a lot of this stuff, in my opinion. It's ok looking through your tripod Newtonian and stuff but you're only seeing what you believe you're seeing by being told what it is. Good luck viewing the sky from those telescopes on mountain tops, because they are owned and run by strict means. What is seen from those is probably what they know is up there in terms of the reality or close to it, rather than the bullshuit we are fed. This is my honest opinion. It's anyone's choice what they choose to think.

I can only say it as I see it.

It is atmospheric pressure on any dense matter. Any matter placed into that atmospheric pressure, is acted upon by that pressure as is pushes against that pressure, no matter what it is and including a barometer. For a barometer to work, a dense matter has to be placed against the atmosphere. For example: mercury is used in many cases because of it's ability to displace more atmospheric pressure without absorbtion, giving a more accurate reading of the pressure upon it, which is measured by a gauge. It's a scale measure not unlike any other man made scale measure, it's just done under varying densities of matter. No gravity involved at all.

Denpressure is any dense matter pushing against atmospheric pressure or being pushed against. It can be measured by any scale. You see it everyday in some way, shape or form, from weighning yourself, to weighing sugar or a wagon on a scale, etc.

I don't think I mentioned anyone inflating like a balloon. I said people would have to take in more air. They do this artificially using oxygen cannisters.

Your body will also undergo change too, so that has to be factored in. Maybe taking a lead bar up will show better results as it is much more resistant to change at that height and is very dense. I haven't climbed everest, so I can hardly give out figures.

No, because your scales are built at sea level, so they already carry sea level pressure upon them. They are calibrated to that level. For instance, there is already around 15 psi upon the scales. If you were to take a set of scales up the mountain and set them to zero, then you would weigh slightly less because there is less pressure on the scale plate.

I can't predict the minds of when liars will put something into motion, no.

At the start of an Everest climb, your body is acclimatised to the pressure. Once you exert your energy by pushing the atmospheric pressure out of the way on that climb, your body weakens. The higher you go, the lesser pressure....but...the more your body has to compensate for that by taking in more air, by breathing faster and harder, which weakens you even more. It's action/reaction in equal terms. Action always has to start before reaction comes into it to equalise and it's like that for every motion. You weight is determined by the air pressure put on your body, nothing more than thatl. You weigh nothing. Your weight is determined by that pressure like everything else is. I explained this way back in this topic.

Anything with more density than the atmosphere it is in will fall back to the ground by displacing that atmosphere under it. To get any dense matter into a less denser atmosphere, takes energy. We do that with planes or even throwing a ball, etc. Anything the atmosphere can push up, will stay up, as in lighter elements like helium, hydrogen. No perpetual flight of any kind.

No I didn't. I said they would make a load of crap up that they found an organism. I was wrong with the timing. I believe they will still come out with it though. It's all about timing with these people, as far as I'm concerned. It's coming.

I make predictions with football matches and get loads wrong. It happens, Renton. It happens.