wolfy

No doubt Ellis will give him a nice contract if he does employ him. Probably 80,000 times more than what he'll be on at Aberdeen. So £250 a week at Aberdeen means £20,000 a week at Sunderland. Does that seem about right or am i overestimating his Aberdeen wages?

Please accept my sincere apologies. I've had to sift through a lot of replies and wrongly assumed you had mentioned it. Sorry about that.

Ahhhhh, read a book. Hmmmmm. Guess what I did all my life up until I started to think for myself?

I go with my own theory because it's a better fit than the nonsense of a globe model and all the trimmings put together with it. My evidence is not recognised by people who do not see anything wrong with the model handed to them on a plate. I understand that. Water is flat and level. It is testable and repeatable. Where is your factual evidence for a globe? By my own logic I can follow what has a potential better fit than anything else I look over. Whether it is all correct or only half right, or even 0.1% right, is neither here nor there. It's about people questioning their own indoctrination about their own Earth model they were given. Mine is secondary to that and is my own thought process that people can try and understand as a mere musing or dismiss out of hand. I do my stuff for me where this is concerned but equally I have no issue sharing my thoughts to people who are interested. Anyway, like I say, the issue is the nonsense globe model as far as I'm concerned. As far as people are concerned, it's entirely up to them if they have a mind to spend on investigating it all.

I'd say to you that, if you're unsure of the official line you were given, then question it. Start investigating it and see what you can find. Start with water. Go down to your local pool or to a lake and see if you can see it curve. Get a football and pour water on it whilst rotating it slowly and see if the water stays on. Get a chamber and evacuate air from it and see if a fan works inside of it and if not, wonder how satellites can have working components in so called space without atmosphere to cool, even though we're conned with radiation of heat, somehow and yet down on Earth, we need fans and stuff to cool them. Why do we need fans to cool down here if radiation works fine and dandy up in so called space. It's a million things like this that you need to ask yourself. Not for me. Do it for you.

Nahhh, it's not right. I don't think I'm any more intelligent or superior than anyone. Apparently I'm more mentally unstable if you remember, so there's no real need to worry about me being superior, is there? You're trying to reason with me whilst knowing that I'm mentally challenged or mentally ill. Does this make any rational sense to you or were you just kidding? I bore you but you feel the need to engage me. It's pretty hard working out the mindset of some, but, each to their own, right? As far as baiting me. I'm the one that's the troll; right? Hmmm. Anyway, where were we?

It's not a hypothesis it is a FACT. Any person will tell you that water is flat and level if nobody was around to force their hand by mass peer pressure. People will totally abandon basic thought and logic in favour of nonsense if mass peer pressure can force their hand to accept that nonsense as they do with a globe Earth and supposed oceans just sticking to it, whilst also somehow being pulled about by a supposed moon and a big 93 million mile distant, 850,000 mile diameter sun that just happens to look exactly the same size and yet we are told it's because of the distance making it appear that way. And blah blah, all the rest of the gunk that so called space scientists throw at us.

For any investigator to follow a thought process, they must have some kind of belief in that line of reasoning. That's what I do. I dissect the supposed globe and stuff whilst experimenting on various stuff to disprove a lot of what's been ingrained into our minds. This doesn't mean that my disproving will be accepted by anyone. I'm not naive enough to think anything like that. It's up to anyone to either accept what they're coaxed into accepting or challenge it for themselves, if anything. I don't say I'm correct. I probably won't ever know what the entirety of this Earth is or what it's part of, but I know that what we are being told about it is absolute nonsense as far as I'm concerned. What you go with is entirely up to you.

No problem with me. You and millions upon millions of people will be of the same thoughts and you are absolutely welcome to them.

Yeah, tell me about Occam's razor and the fewest assumptions with the stuff you've been schooled into. Let's see how the fewest assumptions work with facts. I've yet to see any facts given out by you. Water is flat and level. There's Occam's razor right there.

Feel free to believe anything you wish to, in life.

If a person tells you lies or you believe a person is telling lies, then you will be very sceptical of anything that comes out of their mouths. It's no different with anything for those who are sceptical. The issue is in how and why a person becomes sceptical or thoroughly untrusting in the first place. All normal people like to believe they're intelligent and above naivety/gullibility but the truth is that very few, if any are beyond it. It all comes down to trusting the genuine salesman or the snake oil salesman. Take your pick. It's the truth. We are naturally inquisitive from child to adult and especially child. This is why children learn so fast and take in new concepts so easily that many adults struggle with. the old dog and new tricks scenario. However, this is the massive problem with it, because the supposed real education is firmly ingrained by mass indoctrination, so it is kept throughout life by most. Unless mass indoctrination alters, then people will stay with the same mindset from being a child. It doesn't stop inquisitive kids believing in Santa and spending many hours wondering how he manages to deliver presents to homes and how he can get down chimneys with being so fat. The issue is, they don't question whether he's real, in any serious way, because to do that will render their Christmas present pile and empty one. How can you make a kid grow out of a belief in Santa? Basically by not being reliant on that specifically set out present area and also realising that what was told to you was really just your parents giving the credit to some fat bloke in a red and white suit, hidden behind a big white tache and beard. Weirdly though, NASA do a sleigh tracking program for kids, near Christmas, so they can seee where he is when delivering presents. Of course we were always challenging, but to challenge and be that one person at any specific time challenging the big teacher, who reels off a load of tosh to back you into your seat whilst the rest of the class look at you as if you've just flung a brick at your indoctrinator, then you are not so keen to challenge as time goes on. Mass indoctrination to follow protocol. He may have researched it and he may be correct that some planes do spray. They might spray all the nasty stuff or they might spray something else. All of what he's doing is speculating whilst investigating and coming to conclusions about what he's reading up on, etc. The fact is, he's questioning stuff and what he's questioning is denied by official authority, or side stepped, or answered to as to be something quite normal. The main thing is he's putting forward his thoughts and I am doing the same. The fact that he might throw a book cover or a video up is no more of a guarantee of anything than me just explaining my stance to people for them to actually go and investigate for themselves. Whether you agree with what I say or oppose it 100%, is entirely up to you. We're all free thinkers that just happen to be coaxed into following a set pattern in life by mass following. The people who question what is accepted by mass opinion are labelled nuts and are basically set aside by those that believe they actually know what's what.

It's absolutely amazing how easily we can be manipulated into believing anything, no matter what it is. History can be anything but the entire truth and ancient history even more so. They're decent story lines in many cases and a lot of truth can be mixed in with fantasy. Who really knows? We get fed a lot of stuff that is told as a fantasy that could be anything but. Then we get told a lot of stuff that is supposedly the absolute truth which could actually be the fantasy. Picking through it isn't simple but it's pretty clear that a lot of this stuff requires serious questioning by people, whether they are brave enough to do it among a group or for their own investigative minds. Those who actually take the time to look into stuff will open a massive can of worms which will change their entire mindset on basically everything.

I don't follow the history we are told about as far back as this. I think it's all basic Chinese whispers and a mixture of truth's, potential triuth's, fantasy and blatant lies.

I don't know. Maybe a thousand years or so.

Not too sure on any of it. Maybe 5 , give or take.

I think they existed a few thousand years ago.

It certainly wouldn't surprise me to see Allardyce go back to Sunderland. The fans appear to want him and the England job was the only (if you can call it that) black mark against him whilst in charge of them. However, I honestly don't think Ellis Short will want to risk too much on the squad, so that might rule out Allardyce. Unless there's some massive upturn at that club, then they'll be staying in the lower leagues for many many years to come...potentially dropping as far as league two at some point...albeit, maybe briefly.

What's your idea on them?

Ok, no problem.

I don't rightly know what happened that day, except for what we were told happened of which some of it makes little to no sense. Mentioning cluesforum gives you no extra bullets to fire so save them in your chamber to unleash as and when you can literally prove that what I'm saying is wrong. You appear to be arguing from a backed up official stance. Basically you have everything official at your fingertips. It means you are arguing against me based on mass opinion and nothing more than that.

Not the answer I was looking for but it'll do. Basically you're proving that you do not have any testable FACTS.

When did I say all of this?

Yes I do, but not in the way we've been told.

You can tell me anything you want to tell me about what I'm doing wrong whilst pushing what you believe is right. The truth is not as rubber stamped as it appears on anything. Applying your own logic and having the ability to actually take on-board all potentials to enable a piecing together of a more potential clearer picture than the blurred one officially on offer, is a step in the right direction for the individual. This is what I do and I don't just follow anything for the sake of it and go with it. This is why the flat Earth as is told on those forums is not one that I subscribe to. I have my own opinions and musings. That being said, I'm always open to anyone who puts forward relevant arguments towards potential alternatives to what we were and are, all schooled into by literal force.