wolfy

Aye, I'm no expert, I never said I was....I simply gave my opinion.

I don't expect you to believe a word I say, that's up to you. There's plenty of people who were asked if they saw the plane and they said," there was no plane, it was a bomb" and some said, the building just exploded. Have a look for yourself if you want to and if not, that's fine by me.

Yeah, well try and smash a steel building with that same stone.

I don't know how many, I'm no full on expert on how things were done, I'm giving an opinion on what could have happened...It's a theory. I'm also giving my opinion on what didn't happen and one of them is buildings like that collapsing under their own weight at free fall speed without the use of explosives.

I have never said anything about what I'm saying is original, it just happened that topics tend to take different routes at times and this is no different. I'm simply giving my take on stuff I've looked at, it doesn't mean I'm correct in all I'm saying but it also doesn't mean I'm wrong either, it's simply stuff that doesn't add up and appears phoney. I'm sure there''s many things that you question...it might not be conspiracies like this but I'm sure certain things don't add up to you. All topics cause conflict and differing opinions which makes them interesting and a topic would immediately become boring if it was put up and everyone said, " oh yeah I agree2...end of topic.

I've already told you that many floors were empty.

Yes I've seen a lot of these so called amateur footage by these so called ordinary people, have a look yourself because some of the footage is amazing, even managing to zoom in on the plane hitting at just the right time, even though it's supposedly going at 500mph 800 feet up.

There was power downs previously and sniffer dogs were taken out of the building.Floors were empty and many of them. The elevators are in the central core including the service elevators. It's not hard for a crew to rig it up using state of the art explosives. It was evident to onlookers, including firemen, some of who stated, " we went about 3 blocks and all we heard was , boom boom boom boom boom, as if they were planning to take a building down". another said, " it's as if the building had detonators inside"... Who pressed the buttons... anyone can press a remote controlled sequenced detonator for anywhere close by from any vehicle, building or whatever.

Media CGI was what appeared to hit the towers if you were watching the news channels. What actually really hit the towers, I can only guess at and my guess is, it wasn't planes but missiles, coupled with previously planted cutter charges strategically placed to open up a cartoon sized plane gash. A plane is a hollow tube of aluminium with a nose that is basically carbon fibre with aluminium wings. If those planes really hit those buildings, the wings would have folded back and half of the plane at least would have fallen to the ground. Those planes sailed into those buildings as effortlessly as any of us would sail through an open door. If people want to believe that planes can do that then I won't tell you you are wrong but I will not accept that it's possible. For a plane to do that, it not only has to go through the outer steel, it also has to somehow slice all the floors open on the floors it hits. My theory...IMPOSSIBLE 100%.

I've done my homework. The Central core did hold the lifts as I explained yet they also knitted the outside of the building to them by steel struts. The official reason for collapse was the steel trusses warping then falling onto each other and if that was the case, they would have all had to break at virtually the same time all around the building, so what was acting on the central core? No way can a steel structure collapse straight down like they did. If they were made of weakened concrete and no steel, I would believe it.

Who is actually fully behind it I don't know for certain as I don;t actually know who controls what as far as countries go but let's just say, I do not subscribe to the box cutter terrorists hijacking planes scenario. The purpose of it all in my opinion fits a few agenda's. Firstly, those towers were built in the early 70's when asbestos was the in thing for fire proofing and would have cost a fortune to strip out and the lease holder was supposedly told to bring the buildings up to spec by removing the asbestos, which would have cost tens of millions to do for each building on the complex. Secondly , if reports are accurate, they were only half occupied and losing money hand over fist. So, a possible solution could have been to demolish the complex but use it as a tool in order to invade Iraq and Afghanistan by making the public believe the country is under attack and making people so angry, believing terrorists are behind the hits that they actually scream for a war on terror and giving their blessing to sending troops in to whip the countries arses who sanctioned it. I don't know if this is the actual case but I don't believe a bunch of rag tag terrorists can take over 4 planes, turn of transponders etc after overpowering the pilot, co pilot, navigator and stewards, plus passengers on all 4 planes, using box cutters and managing to not only fly the planes but to navigate them, obviously using an A to Z map that was handy, turning the planes around and managing to aim for the towers, flying at supposedly 500mph at 800 feet and crashing into them as if they were a hot knife going through butter, yet were in the air for supposedly a long period of time, whilst the air defence sat back and finished their coffee, sandwiches and card games before jumping into their jets to look for the planes. The reason interceptor jets weren't scrambled was because no commercial airliners were hijacked in my opinion.

The strength was in both the inner core and the outer grid structure of the walls and both were needed to keep the tower standing. The 47 steel central columns were massive thick box girders. They official story was a pancake collapse, citing that the steel trusses warped with the heat and collapsed onto one another. If that was the case, the 47 steel columns would still be left standing, yet it all falls to the ground, pulverised. There is no way in hell that steel columns like that can collapse onto each other, encountering no resistance at all as if each floor was simply made of polystyrene.

No problem Bobby. It's best to take some time to check out stuff like that and considering you are interested in stuff like architecture it might help you form at least some kind of solid opinion either way. I've studied a lot about 9/11 and many other happenings and I form my own opinions on discrepancies I see or interviews that just seem staged. I naturally cannot prove, physically what I term a conspiracy but I'm not in it for that, I'm basically looking at it and making a judgement for myself so that I don't get duped by future happenings. I have a lot of theories and some are bizarre as far as other people would think but to me, I say there's a feasibility to what I say even though many would say I'm simply stark raving mad lol.

On here you mean or in general? If you mean in general, there have been many many people mentioned it, including thousands of structural engineers and physicists. Obviously there are many that argue the pancake collapse being the reason. Common sense tells me that it's controlled demolition but I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, I just say, study it and decide for yourselves.

About the 79th and roughly 92nd upwards.

Well first of all, if you have seen the towers or ever seen the construction of those towers, you will notice that they are all steel framed buildings.The inner core of those towers housed enormous thick steel core columns that housed the lifts and the outer walls were a grid of steel and supported by steel trusses, welded and bolted to create the floor supports which were then covered in concrete. Basically they were extremely strong towers able to withstand the impact of a jet hitting them at any point and standing the test easily. Ok , now I've bored you with that, I'll just say that no steel framed building, EVER has collapsed due to fire, yet not one but three steel framed buildings on 9/11, all collapse to the ground, two of them within a few hours and building 7 later in the day. They all collapsed at free fall speed, encountering no resistance all the way to the ground and into their own basements. To understand this, you have to imagine being on top of a similar sized sky scraper and throwing an iron ball from the top and counting how long it would take to hit the ground. Throwing a ball from that height encountering no resistance, would take approximately 10 seconds to hit the ground. The two towers collapsed to the ground in roughly 10 seconds and that was each floor crashing through the next and the next and so on, which is impossible if the buildings collapsed without any help. A controlled demolition would take those buildings down in approximately 10 seconds as happened. WTC7 came down in about 6 seconds, which would be about right for free fall speed and of course a controlled demolition. People can say planes and fire and what not brought them down but they cannot explain how they collapsed so fast as if each floor just melted through the next and also perfectly straight down, meaning all joints and massive steel supports would all have to give way at the same time.

It's not a good day for anyone. This stuff has been coming for a while and is simply an experimentation to see how we cope with the shit put into our bodies. Babies are now the target of the flu vaccine and at first it will be optional, yet they will make sure that parents are scared into having their kids so called vaccinated. Look who they give the vaccines to right now....Old people, disabled people, people with diabetes and other ailments, all in the name of stopping them getting the flu, yet they have never been able to cure the flu when people get it but somehow can counteract it by giving the weak a vaccine that actually gives them virus symptoms of some sort, made out to be a mild form of the flu. There's too many people on this planet and there's too many sick people in this country as well as old people who are deemed not to be contributing to the economy and are deemed as no use. Experiment on the weak and frail and old and the population can be trimmed to acceptable levels but because we appear to be living too long, or should I say, WERE living too long, as in, those from the war years who lived on rations and weren't subjected to a life of Domestos and a million other bacteria killers, who's bodies were not only stronger (immune wise) but they are still walking to the shops themselves carrying their own shopping back in their 70's and 80's, whilst 50 year old's and younger, are struggling to with all kinds of ailments. We are saturated in pills for this and that, in-fact every sniffle or ache, there is a variation of syrups and pills, plus a lorry load of various anti biotics that are given to patients like sweets for nothing more than a sore throat that years ago would have been fought off with a few bowls of soup and rest. We have foods that are drenched in all kinds of preservatives and what not, of which we really have no clue about except to be told, it's to keep the quality, yet you can freeze freshly caught fish and make your own soups to freeze etc and all are just as enjoyable as anything manufactured and frozen or tinned, yet we don't cram shit like that into them. Sell by dates are designed to make you eat your food quick or bin it so you get back to the supermarket and stock up again. Milk rarely goes off, no matter if you have it in the fridge for a week, yet years ago it would be sour in 2 days, assuming it lasted that long, so what the hell are they putting into that. Global warming is simply a scare tactic to make us toe the line and pay more of our hard earned money buying so called environmentally friendly things that are probably nothing of the sort. Just my opinion like.

Ok fair enough, if emotion is getting used here, I'll take no further part in this discussion.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't be happy walking about the streets, knowing everyone was carrying guns. I've seen how easy it is for a person to fly off the handle in a small disagreement, so I could only imagine what they would be like if they had a loaded gun on them.

You always get one don't you.

You don't need to sign up to your own thinking mate and I'm certainly not asking you to sign up to my thinking. My thinking is simply my thinking and I'm expressing it on this discussion board.I'm not here to convince you to side with me or believe anything I say, all I'm saying is, I do not simply accept all official explanations to many things until I've had a good look at the one's that cause me to take interest in. You have your own mind and only you can decide what's what and if you choose to run with whatever you are told by anything from official sources then great.

How are the so called satellite photos took of your own home and surrounding areas? Answer: Aerial photography.

If that's the case, I would have to say, they fooled me. lol

It's nothing to do with me not seeing satellites mate, it's to do with the bullshit that's spouted about how they stay up there.Yeah, sure they fall around the Earth (so they tell us) at a certain speed and miraculously stay in orbit on their own, with no propulsion and being pulled by gravity, yet supposedly going so fast that the gravity, actually counteracts the falling coupled with their speed. It all sounds feasible to any person who has no reason or inclination to question what so called official experts tell them, so I understand why people will simply think I'm nuts for mentioning it but that's just the way it is with me and I apply my own logic to many scenarios. Because many people TELL me I'm wrong, doesn't mean that I am wrong and will not sway my thoughts unless a genuine logical reasoning can be put to me as to why these satellites stay in orbit and don;t get me started on the so called one's that are alleged to be 24,000 miles out into space yet still somehow use Earth's gravitational pull. 9/11 has hundreds and hundreds of anomalies about it that tell me it was an inside job and after studying it all, I can definitely come to the conclusion that it was staged.

I'm far from weak on any of the points about 9/11 mate.If you want to believe that flying debris can drop a 47 storey STEEL framed shy scraper to the floor in a neat pile at free fall speed, then that's fine by me, I'm simply saying I know in my own mind that it was controlled demolition, just the same as the twin towers were controlled demolition.