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Fish, I never said radio waves were complicated and I'm not questioning radio waves. I'm questioning satellites in SPACE.

Where is Sutherland.

Why don't you enlighten me and tell me where I'm going wrong. Don't worry if you can't, as you can carry on calling me stupid if you feel it's making your life more worthwhile.

not when it's blocked as in a flask on Earth is coated in silver between both inner and outer thermos that is a vacuum. A satellite cannot dissipate the heat from it's workings inside a cover with a vacuum outside and would simply over heat. Even if it was in the vacuum of space without the components being covered, the heat would only dissipate around it and the components would burn out or render all the solder into a dry contact. If you had a glass thermos and created the vacuum, you would lose heat as it would slowly travel to the outer part because there is no silver to deflect the heat back.

Love Gerry Rafferty's music now but wasn't that fussed years ago. I used to hate pan pipe music but got listening to a group called APU , a Peruvian pan pipe band and love listening to it now.

We all know that IF there was something such as a satellite orbiting in the vacuum of space, it would be full of resistors, capacitors, diodes and such right? We also know that even a lap top would burn out if it didn't have a fan to cool the components don't we. The same as a tower that operates a desk computer needs fans to cool it. So how do satellites get rid of this heat as fans are a complete waste of time for cooling aren't they in a vacuum. When you go to work with your nice shiny stainless steel flask of tea..you can open that flask 4 or 5 hours later and get a nice hot cup of tea/coffee can't you... The reason for this is because your flask is a vacuum flask, that has a gap between the outer thermos and the inner that has had the air sucked out of it and it cannot radiate away the heat because of that vacuum and the only reason it does eventually go cold is because of the neck connection, plus the lid/stopper. It would be worse for a satellite because it is surrounded by a vacuum so cannot radiate the heat anywhere, so the heat just builds up and builds up which would fry the satellite in short order. These so called satellites apparently stay up there for 10/20 years with no maintenance needed. They also appear to stay up in space without so much as any movement at all, meaning they stay in perfect orbit of the Earth, even though they are supposedly 24,000 miles in space, yet they can still use the Earth's gravitational pull at immense speed, to keep them at an exact point at all times above Earth, supposedly meaning you can point your dish at it, get your picture and your'e good to go.

So fish, you work in radio and monitor the vans that go round adjusting transmitters and you keep track of them, is this right? So these vans are tracked by satellite and you know this for certain right? Or is it the fact that it's called GPS (global positioning SATELLITE) tracking, when in-fact any markers can be set in or beside roads to do exactly the same job that you say a satellite can do. If satellites can track your car movements at any point, then why did they go loopy when you went into out of the way countryside and only picking you up again when you come out into some kind of village/town area? The reason was simple. It's because marker beacons weren't picking your signal up as they weren't specifically placed in countrysides at the time, yet they are far more reliable now due to more and more marker beacons, cell towers and transmitters getting put into those areas. How many people use their own phone for road navigation? Many of you will I bet....and how many times has your phone went blank trying to find a signal, only to pick one up as go a few miles further. It's happened to me loads of times and still does...so what do I blame that on? The clouds?, rain?, a flock of starlings? a slow flying plane blocking out my satellite lol... Satellites= bollocks as far as I'm concerned.

I don't know. The need to know basis is all that's required and those that need to know are the one's responsible for it happening. I've heard all the tales about it needing thousands upon thousands to pull this off and all the thousands working at N.A.S.A who would have known but yet no one told. It matters not as everything is compartmentalised in anything in life where one doesn't know what the other one is doing and are all assigned a job which they do. Bob, the moon buggy tyre fitter can tell all his pals that he's part of the moon program but he has no clue what's going on in the back ground, yet he can naively believe he's putting this special tyre on something that's going to be on the moon. Now given that he won't have a clue about space, he gets on with his job. Some clever ones might think" eh, this thing won't work up there" but decide to keep their traps shut so they aren't ridiculed. Most people who felt part of building a certain part, will sit and tell you in a pub that they are a N.A.S.A parts specialist, such is the nature of bragging.

Yep, it does, it's my belief and to myself I accept it as a fact. The reason why I accept men not landing on the moon as a FACT, is because I do not accept their story even 1%, so that's good enough for myself to state to myself that I know for a fact they faked it. We can argue all day long on what a fact means or what belief means but it still doesn't change my view.

100% provable FACT, I cannot prove, you are right.I do know it's a FACT to MYSELF and that's what counts. What others believe is up to them.

Aye ok.

I know in my OWN mind what reality and bullshit is and the moon landings are bullshit. As for being able to physically prove it, you are right, I cannot physically prove it, no more than anyone can physically prove they did happen. It's a case of, what does a person's own common sense tell them...did it or didn't.

Let's look at this amazing Apollo program. First off all they test a prototype lander on Earth that fails spectacularly. They then believe that's enough to go ahead gathering all the old cardboard boxes, roofing paper, gold foil, masking tape, scotch tape and a few other scraped up materials and decide that the moon mission is on. Then supposedly house this Lunar lander inside the top of the rocket stuck to another contraption they call the command module. This Saturn V rocket takes off and jettisons certain stages of itself along the way and reaches space. Once in space, all that's left of the rocket, is a command module with this lunar lander thing stuck to it, which flies through space at thousands of miles an hour, in a vacuum, managing to correct it's course to the moon by use of, ermmmm, tail fins?, wings? , no that can;t be right because it doesn't have these things and they wouldn't work as it needs air to work them...so how about little side ,"retro thruster thingies", aye that'll navigate it. As they are speeding to the moon, they now have to slow the command module down as it's naturally whizzing towards it at thousands of mile per hour. Now how do they slow this down? Well, they just do, that's all, which now has the command module orbiting the moons supposed one sixth gravity...how they worked out the gravity and how to orbit it, is the stuff of magic, so we won't bother with that. Right!, so, Armstrong and Aldrin get into this Lunar lander and separate it from the command module and head to the moon. Now here's the clever bit. Once the Lander is about to hit the moons gravitational pull, it about turns itself, so that it's rocket nozzle if facing the moons surface...how they about turn the rocket is all down to these little retro booster thingies, which are amazing things. So what we have now, is a Lunar lander descending to the moons surface with it's nozzle slowing it's descent. Basically it's like Taking off in that Saturn V, then slowing down when you get to 60 miles, then throttling it down so it lands back on the launch pad...seems piss easy doesn't it. Anyway, they manage to land after overshooting their landing zone that apparently has been picked out for them, even though that today, it seems to have took all this time to actually see , 'supposedly' what the moons surface is like, yet in 1969, not only did they seem to know the exact place to land but the Lunar lander was actually programmed on auto pilot to land exactly on it, yet Armstrong sees that they are gonna land in a crater, so grabs the steering wheel...oops I mean the retro booster sticks and whilst the rocket nozzle underneath is arresting their descent, those little retro's are steering it sideways onto a perfect landing site. Now once they touched down, there was no blast crater underneath but this was explained away as, they throttles the rocket motor down to 3000lbs of pressure from 10,000 lbs and also shut off the rockets about 10 feet from the ground and just free falled that 10 feet....as you do. Now if anyone cares to look at the landing sequence of Armstrong and Aldrin on their descent in how it was portrayed, just google it and listen and watch their supposed historic landing and tell me if they shut down their rocket 10 feet from the ground. Once they had done what they came to do, they then jumped back into the Lander and , detonated a few bolts and somehow managed to ignite a rocket underneath itself and blast off, reaching about 3000 mph to get out of the moons gravity, then catch up and dock with the command module, despite never having done any of this before. Now once they have docked, they then climb into the command module, through the only known route they can possiblv take..which is through the part where the so called parachutes are bundled, yet they seem to manage it all without fuss. Then the command module, about turns and zooms 240,000 miles back to Earth after jettisoning yet another piece of itself and they all come down in a little cone, which as I explained, had the parachutes at the top of it. Once they hit the water, they are put in quarantine, even though nothing has touched their skin and in fact if anything should have been quarantines, it should have been that little craft, plus the rescuers who were not wearing any special suits. So there you have it.... the moon landings are an absolute piece of piss aren't they lol.

I don't know everything, I admit that. What I do know for a FACT, is, no man has walked on the moon. I also know that this scrap school type project mock up piece of shite has never done anything at all what they say it has done, let alone land on the moon. Now if you want to believe that this piece of crap has done what they said it's done then that's entirely up to you...but as you can see, I don;t think a masterful knowledge of physics and calculations is needed when the eyes can do a far better job of knowing that this contraption is a complete piss take and an insult to our intelligence. As for your Amateur home made rockets going into space..do you actually really believe that. You mention about my understanding of physics and radio signals and why I believe in radio signals and not satellites... well ok I'll give you a very simple answer. First of all, my radio works and I accept that it works from transmitters, (on Earth)...I also accept television working the very same way due to the aerial on my house roof receiving signals from transmitters from Earth. I also accept that the company names SKY , send us their signals to give us our extra channels but not from satellites, just simply from a different transmitter working on a different frequency. I get many people asking me the questions of.. " well how come we can get OVERSEAS channels then, without satellites" and yet they can't seem to accept that transmitters in relay can do it and prefer to go with a satellite supposedly 24,000 miles out into space, which in effect( if we go by the bull that we are told) is inside the Van Allen Radiation belt and yet these so called satellites not only transmit signals to our televisions but can also do it through this radiation and within this radiation. Not only that..they also tell us that once in their 24,000 mile orbit, they cannot be repaired if they malfunction, yet they appear to never need repair anyway as they appear to work fantastic and perfect every time. (magical stuff) Space exploration is a big con and always has been and to this day it hasn't changed. Whether they manage some miracle in the future to actually do it for real, remains to be seen. Oh and Fish..it's pointless spending all your time telling me that I don't know about physics and saying I don;t give reasons for it, when clearly I do. You on the other hand, spend a lot of your time telling me I'm a nutter and wrong without actually giving any reason, other than, " it happened because we were told it happened." Put your reasons forward as to why it happened and I'll be glad to counteract it.

It wasn't you who's tyre I fixed was it?

Hahahahaha.

For the record. Any person who is of sane mind, who is terminally ill, I think they should be allowed to end their life as long as someone is there medical wise to record their request. Just simply making it legal to allow a family member or friend to do it, could create a situation where people are being murdered by a family member or friend with a grudge and made out to be a mercy killing.

So, if a person get's laid off from work, he gives up his life the minute he signs on, or is there a time limit on how long you can sign on for.

I already get well looked after at the asylum, in-fact, I was nearly released as they believed I wasn't insane. What happened was, I was walking around the grounds, rocking and talking to myself and pressing my face really hard into the chain link fence whilst shouting, "I'm not mad, I'm not mad"..then suddenly the boss of the asylum drives in, then "pssssssst" his tyre goes flat. I run over to him and say, " Do you want me to change that tyre for you Sir?" and he says, " can you actually do it, can you really change the tyre?" I said, "just watch me Sir" and I proceeded to change it. A few minutes later his new tyre was on and he was all systems go. He turns to me and says, " wow, thank you, you seem very pleasant and helpful and you are far from mad are you?" I said, " no Sir, I'm as sane as they come." He said, " I'm going into the office and in a few hours I'll have your release typed up and you can leave here and take your place back into society." As the boss walked away, I picked up a big building brick and bounced it off the back of his head, splitting it wide open and I shouted..."YOU WON'T FORGET TO HAVE THAT TYPED UP, WILL YOU.

Strange that because I didn't start this thread either and I've never started the same thread every day since I joined.

Once upon a time, in a little village called toontasticville, there lived a bunch of people who all loved to argue and debate over anything and they would all meet in a little community centre which had different rooms for different discussions. A new lad came to join the community centre and walked through the doors smoking a cigar and wearing a new hat, then shouted, ' Hi , I'm Wolfy.' One of the community centre's staff, called Monkey, shouted, " oi Wolfy, put your cigar out, there's no smoking in this community centre and gave Wolfy a slap. Wolfy was embarrassed and apologised and said it won't happen again. Ant, who was part owner of the place, told Wolfy to sign the book , have a cup of tea read the rules, then told Wolfy that the joining fee was £5 and a pound a week after that, so Wolfy paid up and also thanked Ant for the tea and said it was delicious and asked Ant where they buy their tea from. Ant replied, ' oh, we get it from a member from here, who runs his own tea distribution firm and gives us a good discount' 'Wow!, said Wolfy, that's great, who is the member? 'Oh it's a lad called Renton' said Ant...and he owns Renton's tea and has a few lads working for him who deliver tea and stuff to homes on his special fleet of motorbike and side cars.' Wolfy decided to check out the room's and was curious upon seeing a room that said Tommy tank room, which Wolfy though was Thomas the tank engine and maybe it's a model railway room full of enthusiastic hobbyists. Wolfy decides to listen at the door to hear what people were talking about but all he could hear was slurping slapping type noises, so he decided to investigate. Wolfy opens the door to be greeted by 4 lads pulling the ends right off it :wank: :wank: so Wolfy shouts, " no wonder there's a slurping slapping sound in here and it stinks", then slams the door shut. This story will conclude when all of you posters add to it, so let's see where it goes...oh and use smileys. lol

This is the beauty about topics in General.You can pick and choose which one you want to view , or comment on. You can also decide that, if you are sick of any given topic, you can move onto another and forget this one, leaving it for the one's that are interested in it. After all, we all won't be interested in the same things will we. I'm interested in Newcastle United but I'm also interested in conspiracy theories as well as many other things. Those I'm not interested in, I don't comment on.

Correct, it's not knowing for DEFINITE but in my mind I'm convinced that the moon landings are a big fake and shuttle missions, plus the ISS e.t.c are all fake. Anything done inside our atmosphere is plausible...outside of it, it's faked as far as I'm concerned.

Like I said, I don't know reason behind thousands of things that happen and all I can do is speculate on that part. So here's a speculation on what could have happened. Those people were chosen because they accepted a nice big pay day and the chance to start a new life somewhere and be given new identities... possible. I honestly don't know.

Because I use my own common sense and logic.