wolfy

As I've told you on a few occasions now. What you believe my intelligence is, is of no consequence to myself. I'm just an ordinary bloke that questions what I believe to be bullshit and I see a lot of it from the media.

Fish: I didn't say they could only go about 320 miles up, apparently that's all the supposed shuttles have done. Your little speech was once again interesting but for you say that I'm not putting anything forward for my reasoning, which I clearly am, you are spending too much time sidestepping it and going into a speech telling me why it's all true, without actually telling me why. You mention you don;t believe in God and neither do I, yet the Government fund schools that are now CHURCH OF ENGLAND schools, so are they accepting the existence of God or just going along with the man made entity. If they are just going along with it, why don't you believe they can do it with space travel, because after all, we can't get up there and look and any launches are top secret and can only be viewed from about 3 miles away for any civilian. From 3 miles away, any mock up can take off from that pad and no one would be any the wiser. Did you know that N.A.S.A had a major problem on their hands on one take off , of the shuttle and it was a little woodpecker pecking at the tank... Clever N.A.S.A solved the problem though by painting an owl's face onto a small balloon and hanging it up there. lol

So what's your point?

You see, when bullshit is spewed out by so called astro physicists, everything has to be shoehorned in to fit, even if it sounds ridiculous to many people. They rely on amazing us with that science and totally frying our brains with the mathematics behind it so that most people won't even attempt to make any sense of it all, they will just accept it as amazing and be done with it. People just accept that satellites are out there in space, orbiting us at 24,000 miles out and following the so called Earth's rotation yet don;t question how that satellite got there and how it manages to travel at unbelievable speeds just to keep track of a supposed rotating Earth. What craft puts these satellites into orbit at that distance? Is it the shuttle, that can only supposedly go 320 miles up.....well that seems to rule that out... So what rockets have we been sending up to not only get these 24,000 mile out satellites up there but that can also catapult them to the required obvious astronomical speed to PERFECTLY orbit the Earth with such pin point accuracy that we never, EVER have to alter our sky dishes. Apparently, you can fly a plane high enough and just hoy one of these little bastards out into space and the clever little satellite will do the rest...you know, it will spawn some kind of super vacuum rocket motor and immediately set itself to hyper drive until it is pin point accurate because this is how clever our scientists are. I don't believe in God but if my choice were to believe in God or that scientists have put man in space, on the moon, and satellites at 24,000 miles out, I'll take my chance on God being real.

Fish: Literature to back up satellites means nothing. There's literature that backs up the moon landings, 9/11 and every other thing we know of today...it doesn't mean it's correct. Anyone can write literature on any given subject and in their own mind, believe it to be correct because that's how they have been taught. Do you know what cold welding in a vacuum mean? If not, look it up. The orbit of a satellite is maintaining inertia with gravity you say...to me, this is simple hokus pocus magical bullshit told to us to fit it into their criteria. Here's something for you and see what calculations you come up with. A so called low Earth orbit satellite apparently travels around the Earth at 17,000 mph. Which as they tell us, is no good for GPS or sky television as it's moving many times faster than the so called Earth's spin, so they use what's known as a geo stationary satellite that's supposedly 24,000 miles into space that orbits the Earth at exactly the same rate as the Earth is allegedly spinning, meaning that this satellite stays at exactly the same point over the Earth at any given time and this is why you can get GPS and sky television by pointing your dish at it. Now here's the 64,000 dollar question. How fast would that geo stationary satellite have to be travelling to keep pace with the Earth at a distance of 24,000 miles out into space?

If you are losing patience, then do not take any part in a conversation with me, I'm fine with that.If on the other hand, you feel that you must, then it works better when asking questions if you try simply asking instead of getting irate, which is clearly counter productive. Now what evidence can I see with my own eyes that tells me this is not fake? Personally I see many things that look ok but mostly I see things that are clearly fake and look fake because they are sloppily done and insult the intelligence of people. As for being ill, I've been I'll a few times in my life as I suppose many people have with one ailment or another. If you mean MENTALLY ill, then I'll leave that up to any individual to ponder over as it really has no bearing on my thoughts.

If that's what you want to call it, we will go with that.

Ask the question again and be a bit more civil and I'll answer it.

I'm diluted.

I don't have any thoughts on them.

I'm fully aware of being in the minority and I'm comfortable with that.

Who said the ISS is a satellite? Apollo was a piece of piss for the film makers as they could go to the moon as many times as they wanted and even use the same spacesuit actors as no one knows who was inside those suits when the filming started.

Of course you are going to go by that though, it's only natural you will take that stance and I wouldn't expect anything else. My stance is simply that I've seen enough fakery and heard enough bullshit from so called actor noughts to absolutely convince me that space exploration is all faked. Anybody who doesn't take an interest in space or hasn't looked at the possibilities of it being real or not, aren't gullible, they simply don't find it interesting enough to bother with. Those that sift through any evidence and absolutely see nothing untoward with anything official, that's when I think that those people simply deny anything can be faked simply because they like to believe in anything official as far as space goes. I'm in the minority of people who think it's faked but not because I'm wrong, it's because many people have hung onto what they hear and see on television and simply go with it without ever thinking of questioning anything. TV fakery is a massive tool in the mind phuck games and so are the actors behind it. It shows the mentality of people when a soap actor/actress can get abuse in the street over a fictional storyline they have been the main character of. To many people, that soap is real and they tend to forget that it's all acted, so it doesn't surprise me when anybody believes what they see and hangs onto it all as 100% gospel.

I believe the ISS is a space fake but a very real mock up model placed inside a large pool where all the so called space walks and what not stem from.The pictures of the Earth that are supposedly took from the ISS are as fake as can be. Some of the pictures that are shown of the Earth are real, the high altitude balloon and maybe U2 spy plane pictures, that get credited to a fake ISS. If there are any so called satellites up there doing anything, they are at best high altitude balloons relaying pictures and anything whizzing through the night sky are simply small meteoroids. We don't have any craft capable of going 17,000 mph and they can tell us anything. This crazy notion of launching satellites into space from planes is even more laughable. It's as if they are making space into such simplicity one minute and the next they tell you how difficult it is to go to the moon again TODAY, yet they seemed to have pissed it in the 60's. If people want to buy into all that none-sense then that's absolutely fine as you all have your own mind. I prefer to use my own logic and common sense to see through lies and bullshit and others prefer to hang onto the notion that everything they are shown and told, as long as it's from an official source...is real.

So my argument is phucked based on what? Is it based on a nice little worded piece from Fish?

Nice speech but all you're doing is telling me you are right and that some amateur astronomer took that sweet bag pic. 17, 000mph ISS whizzing by and an amateur manages to get a picture of it with just a slight blur... Like I said, nice speech.

So that's the ISS is it. It looks like a family bag of toffees to me.

Radiated heat/light agitating our atmosphere at a best guess.

What do you mean, "if not, phuck off" ???

Maybe!

I tried that and guess what. I saw what I can only describe as tiny blobs of light whizzing by. Are they satellites? Can you absolutely and undeniably state that they are satellites, or are you basing it on being told they are man made satellites?

It probably would have took me 10 seconds but I wanted Renton to tell me as he mentioned it.

Pair of binoculars, clear night and what problem is solved?

I'm not dodging nothing. You asked a question of why can you get a signal in Sutherland, so I asked you where it was...you chose not to tell me, except that it's beautiful and I can't tell you anything based on, " it's beautiful" so I'll leave it at that.

Well seeing as you mentioned Sutherland, I thought I'd ask you. You choose not to tell me so we will leave it at that as I have no need to look it up, as you were the one that mentioned it.