Rayvin

Spurs have conceded as many goals this season as Burnley. They're done. They may actively want to lose in order to avoid Europa.

Nice..! Could you feel the difference in the ride?

Huh, Burnley gone...

So the club has managed to do the bare minimum to ensure that this is drawn out for another week...

This is bigger than Sunderland and Boro lads, even though there's local rivalries etc - this is about Ashley learning a fucking lesson about how to run a football club and, you never know, might even force him out. I would take relegation and sitting a league below Boro and Sunderland for a couple of seasons over any more repeats of the absolutely shocking annihilation of this 'football club' that we've witnessed season on season for the past 4 years or so - arguably longer save for a freak good season. Staying above two teams who are amongst the most irrelevant in the entire footballing landscape pales in comparison to kicking fucking Ashley into touch. If we go down, and I think we will, he will feel it. He will. He may not go, but he'll finally feel the heat and consequences of his fucking stupid decisions.

Sunderland will go down the following year without the traditional 6 points from us, so don't worry too much.

That is some small consolation, I agree.

We aren't fucked cos they're lucky, we're fucked cos we're useless. If we go down it has fuck all to do with the mackems who have been utterly inconsequential all season, and everything to do with how utterly dire this football club is. We could easily still stay up despite them winning today - the reason we don't think we will is because we're beyond shit.

Who would replace him? The only person less senior than him when he was employed was the janitor... We have no management structure. But yes, many players will go; I think most of the first team in fact.

I hope we stay up for this alone.

If we stay up, do you think he'll be humble and classy about it, or will he be metaphorically teabagging everyone in here?

Such benevolence. Nothing brings people together like a crisis I guess.

Gemmill, you're out in force on the boards at the moment - did you break a leg in yoga or something, or have you been sucked in again by all the charming personalities on here.

To give Fish some credit here, we're probably still only one win from staying up - so there's that. Obviously it looks different when you consider that the club is looking more of a shambles currently than at any point I can remember, that we're stuck with a manager who has lost the dressing room, his self respect and his marbles, that we have no defenders for the final games of our season except Colo who apparently thinks this malaise is our fault, that we have lost 8 games on the trot while the teams around us are picking up points, and of course that we have key players out injured...but yeah, we might fluke a win, who knows?

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/who-lee-charnley-man-charge-6772955 He sounds like an absolutely terrified individual. Of life in general.

I mean... is Charnley actually qualified? Like, seriously qualified? Does he have a background in management? Or football?

Sigh...this is just getting fucking stupid now. There's clearly no leadership whatsoever at this club. I'll now be amazed if we don't go down.

Has he now reached the point of actively willing the club to fail?

I'm sure Fish put something down, he'll have seen this coming a mile off.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/04/breathtaking-surge-of-tory-tactical-votes-to-save-nick-clegg-in-hallam-poll If ever there was proof that our system is broken beyond all repair, this is it. Clegg is having his seat saved by tactical Tory voting without which he'd be ousted.

He didn't even get the top grade...

I'm glad at least some of us were savvy enough to bet on this. A few weeks back I just couldn't see it myself, but obviously over time it's become apparent just how incompetent Carver is, and just how naive I was to believe that 35 points would probably be enough.

Actually, I'm inclined to agree with you on this. Labour still hasn't sorted itself out for the post-Blair era, and I'm not at all convinced by it in its current form. Still don't know if that warrants risking the Tories for another 5 years, but I take the point.

FFS, this situation is ridiculous in general. We're going to be landed with the Tories because the SNP have killed Labour's chances in an attempt to liberate themselves from...the Tories. I can't work out if I think it's Labour's fault, the SNP's fault, or if the Tories have just played a fucking blinder and manipulated both sides. Sadly, I think it's probably the latter.