Rayvin

Sorry, the 'wonderkid' is their chairman. The guy who replaced Whelan, his grandson or something.

Wigan relegated to League One... I'm sure their 23yr old wonderkid who dropped out of Uni and lost £1.3m of Whelan's money on a failed bid to run a chipshop (how!?) will find a way to turn things around though...

your ability to find ways of working stuff like that into conversations is remarkable.

Who the fuck is this guy? Why does the man in his linked video have a tea towel on his head? Did anyone watch the video? I'm concerned it might be some kind of weird porn...

Well said that man.

This is how football will die - but the sooner it does die, the sooner it might go back to being something enjoyable.

Also, I watched this guy on TV enough to be sad he's gone. RIP.

I have to subscribe to these accounts..!

Fair play actually, I think a lot of people fly off the handle very quickly over cars, but while yeah, it's not ideal that someone went into the back of you, it's also not like they did it on purpose. That makes it sound like I've done the same thing, but to date I've never ended up in any such situation. The missus put the car through a bush once though. Actually quite impressive...

That sucks. I assume he's paying for it though?

I'm torn on this one. It's hilarious every time Liverpool lose, but at the same time...

I think, just on a very basic level, that anti-Ashley T Shirts might be more successful than placards. They couldn't be confiscated really, not without some legitimate claims of sexual harassment being made, and while people could be ushered out, if enough people were doing it Ashley would be emptying thousands out of his own stadium. That said, whether it would actually achieve anything is another matter altogether. Perhaps producing an unnofficial replica kit - one that couldn't be attacked for copyright infringement - would eat at Puma (who Mako considers to be the only vulnerable sponsor). Problem is it would cost a bit. I guess people could start buying Juventus tops or something. Or maybe a lower league club that would actually benefit from the income. Just kicking ideas around here, really.

Didn't watch this and am pleased I didn't. Starting to look genuinely concerning on the relegation front though. At least this time, if it happens, Ashley should get more of the press vitriol than we will...you'd hope. Would have preferred to have gone down with Pardew in that situation though.

Why hasn't he resigned? I mean fucking hell, it's plain as day that he can't hack it and yet he claims to 'love the club'. If he genuinely did, he'd resign. I would have fucking resigned by now, regardless of how much I was being paid.

Although I half suspect I'm being had here...

Wow... fuck me, I didn't realise there were some many high flying politicians on here...

Alex is/was an election candidate?

That's, surprisingly, actually pretty good...

You've just never forgiven me for that "United" comment, have you?

We do..?

They'll settle down, we're just not used to seeing new members actually contribute on here - the go to response is to assume that they're either a mackem or a WUM. I think the recent results have made people especially tetchy. Just to bring you up to speed through, the general consensus here is that Pardew was a charlatan and a knacker, that Carver is worse, and that Ashley is making Satan look good.

FFS How to lose friends and alienate people - the masterclass. Mako, you probably need someone in PR to communicate your ideas in a less intensely annoying way. I actually suspect you have some good ideas, even though I have some misgivings about their viability. But you seem to be at odds with almost everyone in the forum currently - how does that fit in with your plan? I think you mentioned that NO had a similar reaction. Have you considered revising your sales pitch? I do reckon that you've been unfairly called out as a mackem though, that doesn't look accurate to me. I defer to MF's judgement on this one however

Just look at the amount of activity on here, it definitely stirred people up. Normally we lose these games and barely anyone comments for the next couple of days. I've been struggling to keep up this time around. It's at least something to keep clinging on to for however long it lasts. False hope maybe, but isn't that what the vast majority of football is about?

At least there seems to be some energy about all of this currently, rather than just apathy. The real challenge is sustaining it though, as Ashley will be banking on our morale falling and on the majority of us getting back into line. We need creative ideas to keep the energy going - which is where I actually agree with that Maku guy, in principle, at least.