Rayvin

Reckon Mako might be right on this one. UKIP's raison d'etre is this referendum on Europe. If the Tories have it and we vote out, why would anyone except the extremists vote for UKIP again? They'd have achieved their objective. If we vote to stay in, then they might rumble on - but they'd be entirely without legitimacy, as the country, as a majority, will have rejected their view. Support will fall away as people voting for them currently realise that an escape from Europe isn't going to happen, and that voting for other parties will better influence their lives. The only scenario I can see for them hanging around is if they start distancing themselves from the Europe question and putting a real effort into talking about their other policies in the run up to it while they still have people's ears. Another good move by Cameron to be honest, he'll kill UKIP altogether with this referendum.

I'd take Brad Jones to replace Elliot and put some actual pressure on Krul. Micah Richards if he'd even consider moving here. Agree with Fish on Ings and Sinclair.

Seriously?! Fair play to him.

For his footballing ability, yes. As for Liverpool, I think they're about to start a long and relatively painful process of sliding slowly down the table year on year.

Pretty sure the ref closed that off early for QPR's sake.

QPR going down in style here, I see.

He's probably just delighted that he's stopped the hugely embarrassing run of defeats. I agree basically though, the whole team is continuing to play utterly shit bar a few individuals having the odd decent moment. Carver alienated the entire dressing room last week by the sounds of it and is now probably trying to pull them back on board. He's utterly hopeless at this management stuff, it's actually astounding that a) he's exactly as bad as we all thought he would be, b] that he's exactly as embarrassing as we thought he would be and c) the board couldn't see this coming.

Their recent form suggests that they aren't quite as shit as we are though... we are unavoidably the worst team in the league at present. I agree with Graing as well, hopefully QPR get relegated tomorrow (something I consider highly likely) otherwise we're going to have a fucking mental end to the season.

Team with nothing to play for vs Sunderland (0-2) Aston Villa vs Team with nothing to play for (1-0) Leicester vs Team with nothing to play for (2-0) The only surprising result in my book was Burnley beating Hull, and even then they still had something to play for. This is why I'm concerned about that Spurs vs Hull game.

I've just started a Chianti actually That's how far the club has sunk, I'm celebrating a 1-1 draw at home with fucking West Brom.

I'm honestly saying that Hull have something to play for and Spurs don't.

Judging by today's performance, I don't think the players are that arsed.

Spurs have conceded as many goals this season as Burnley. They're done. They may actively want to lose in order to avoid Europa.

Nice..! Could you feel the difference in the ride?

Huh, Burnley gone...

So the club has managed to do the bare minimum to ensure that this is drawn out for another week...

This is bigger than Sunderland and Boro lads, even though there's local rivalries etc - this is about Ashley learning a fucking lesson about how to run a football club and, you never know, might even force him out. I would take relegation and sitting a league below Boro and Sunderland for a couple of seasons over any more repeats of the absolutely shocking annihilation of this 'football club' that we've witnessed season on season for the past 4 years or so - arguably longer save for a freak good season. Staying above two teams who are amongst the most irrelevant in the entire footballing landscape pales in comparison to kicking fucking Ashley into touch. If we go down, and I think we will, he will feel it. He will. He may not go, but he'll finally feel the heat and consequences of his fucking stupid decisions.

Sunderland will go down the following year without the traditional 6 points from us, so don't worry too much.

That is some small consolation, I agree.

We aren't fucked cos they're lucky, we're fucked cos we're useless. If we go down it has fuck all to do with the mackems who have been utterly inconsequential all season, and everything to do with how utterly dire this football club is. We could easily still stay up despite them winning today - the reason we don't think we will is because we're beyond shit.

Who would replace him? The only person less senior than him when he was employed was the janitor... We have no management structure. But yes, many players will go; I think most of the first team in fact.

I hope we stay up for this alone.

If we stay up, do you think he'll be humble and classy about it, or will he be metaphorically teabagging everyone in here?

Such benevolence. Nothing brings people together like a crisis I guess.

Gemmill, you're out in force on the boards at the moment - did you break a leg in yoga or something, or have you been sucked in again by all the charming personalities on here.