Rayvin

How am I dodging the point - your point is, his MPs don't back him. My response was, this is because they feel Labour has no political traction with which to make that point, and that to stand any chance of winning, they have to fight the battle along the Tory lines. That's my response to your point. Is this clear? If so, then the rest of my previous point still stands. I await your response.

Absolutely no arguments there. But sometimes it's good to have it out on these points It's shored up my belief in my own views.

Fair enough - I'm perhaps given to idealism as you say. For me though, this felt like a victory - and I support his policies because they're workable, because I understand the theories behind them, and because they're fair.

His MPs are shit scared of the RW media - I'm not obsessing about them, they are an actual, highly influential factor in the way in which people vote. Where does all of the information that informs people's votes come from? The media. Which newspaper has the highest readership in the country? The Mail. Which individual owns the largest proportion of UK media outlets? Murdoch. Who do these two factors support in elections? The Tories. There, I've addressed your concern. I'm still waiting on the robust criticism on Keynesian economics by the way. You said you'd vote for him if his ideas were feasible - Keynesian economics proves they are. Unless feasible in this sense means 'once everyone else has decided what's right and I've read it in the papers' - which I suspect it does. That's not going to happen because of the above bit about the RW media. See how this works?

I didn't say socialist, I said progressive... and it's not actually about the government that's in power, it's about the issues on which power is won. And we've wasted a lot of time over the last five years with Labour trying desperately to look convincing to people who are worried about pretty right wing concerns. I have a bit more confidence than that. I don't know if I count as young anymore, I probably don't (29), but I and so many other people in my social circles were utterly dismayed with the what the Labour party had become. So dismayed that I considered wasting my vote on the Greens this time out. The other thing is that the young will vote if there's a chance to attack the establishment - and this is the best chance they'll get in a generation.

He's right, though. The Labour you wanted to win looks nothing like anything many of the young people in this country would consider voting for.

This is actually exactly why Corbyn is needed - not to win the next election but to shift the debate back over to the left rather than calling the centre-right of politics, the 'centre'. If we had an 'electable' Labour leader who was fighting with the Tories over the right-of-centre ground, even if they won we'd end up with something that looks nothing like progressive politics.

Just FYI, the Great Depression actually provided proof that this theory works. So there you go, his ideas aren't nonsense.

He's not going to be able to prove it without actually doing it. I know this because there is a fully valid economic theory that supports what he's saying (Keynesian economics) which neither you, the Tories, or the RW press are paying any attention to because it undermines the Tory justification for cutting back the state. Keynes argued that the solution to the Great Depression was to stimulate the economy ("inducement to invest") through some combination of two approaches: A reduction in interest rates (monetary policy), and Government investment in infrastructure (fiscal policy).'

Rupert Murdoch and the right wing press' propaganda.

To be fair to CT, it's not that the electorate haven't had the option, it's that they're ignorant of the factors that actually determine how a country runs/is economically successful, and that they've swallowed the Tory bullshit about the economy going to hell under Labour, largely because Labour didn't defend themselves as they reasoned that the media propaganda was too strong by the time they sorted themselves out. We live in a country full of bigoted fuckwits. It's sad but true. When we vote ourselves out of Europe and happily shaft thousands of people working for businesses that need the Europe relationship in place to be functional, the full stupidity of the average British person will be laid bare.

Absolutely.

Fair point on time not telling I dunno mate, I was utterly disillusioned with them and wouldn't have voted for them any further. Maybe they've lost more than they stand to gain, but I considered them a lost cause anyway. The Tories defeated NuLabour and severed it's head, this is something else.

Ok, you guys must be working with much larger databases then. Worst case scenario for a large query at my end is 10 minutes. Our business doesn't have developers so I'm probably ok

Time will tell, but I didn't see any of the candidates dislodging the Tories next time out, so we've lost nothing in my oninion. Labour was totally faceless and directionless.

Nice one, the whole debate is going to shift leftwards. Finally something to be pleased about, politically.

The good thing though is that you guys have some fucking amazing stories... no story anyone else has can compare to the time that one guy came in with a cucumber stuck up his arse

They were from Essex as well like, which may have contributed.

My partner and I went on holiday last year with 5 people who work in various NHS positions. Barely understood a word

Surely extractions are pretty safe - sure they could be incorrectly conceived and lead to poor conclusions being drawn, but the extraction itself isn't going to compromise the system. Or have you seen things that would suggest otherwise? I agree on coding in general though.

If you do it, it gives you more options in the future. If you have time and motivation, something like this is always worth doing IMO.

The BBC have just posted a stat for Anthony Martial - he's played a full 90 minutes at senior level 4 times in his career. He's going to look like a disaster of a buy this season, even if he turns out to be some kind of superstar in the future. Hope he's a confident lad.

WHam are really unpredictable this season so who knows how this'll go. I think I could accept a draw if we're not playing in backs to the wall mode. If we look expansive and creative then I'll be satisfied. I think I this result should give us the first real indication of how our season is going to pan out.

I have to admit that I sometimes have to bring extractions into Excel for Vlookups and things but I'd otherwise agree. Once you know how to write the extraction, SQL is really logical. Excel is a nightmare by comparison.