Rayvin

Sorry to hear that Can't all be bad though, has it won you round yet?

Interesting points I guess. I certainly agree about Hillary being a waste of space, but I don't know if being a waste of space is worse than being Donald Trump...

So you caved in on the dog front then? How many times have you had to walk it so far

At this point, being honest, there's nothing we can even tangibly be optimistic about until they actually surprise us with a decent performance. And it just doesn't look like that's going to happen.

Riviere man. Seriously.

Was just thinking that. Hard to complain about it either, we're just not a good team...

So what, we're now playing three forwards? That's McClaren's answer on a tactical level? We're gonna long ball the shit out of this, aren't we.

Y'know, on the upside, we're not losing 5-1. Progress!

He gave the ball away there. Does that count as doing something?

Arsenal ffs... What the shit is Wenger even playing at, seriously.

Oh ok, I just got my info from the Guardian but it was from yesterday so may well be out of date already.

Has he managed to beat Sunderland while at Palace?

You say that like it's something we should be pleased about, and I guess it is, but Hillary isn't exactly good news either. Also, a lot of polls seem to have her losing against Trump...? Unlike Sanders who seems to win out. Not that polls mean much.

I reckon we could put Noelie up front and he'd stretch Colo for pace.

They can't come out and say they're planning for it, its be picked up by the press as throwing in the towel. That said, they don't have a broad enough management team to be -actually- planning for it, especially as Charnely needs all of his mental fortitude directed at remembering to breathe.

I admire the effort. It's filling in for Fish currently, who has abandoned his usual routine of posting threads with a slightly nuanced way of looking at our current plight as a football club, that go on to attract 1 to 2 pages of discussion before descending into an argument between him and DK.

@@Ant, out of interest, are you being threatened with legal action over our discussion on this?

Fucks sake

That said, the lengths they're having to go to for discussing this are crazy

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/dont-care-anymore.1204126/ This thread, I think (it's hard to tell), covers certain of them criticising their club about this. So clearly some of them at least have registered that what's happened isn't acceptable.

If you say so. I personally feel they're extremely important on all manner of issues. I would also argue that people are 'fixed' in their position on the political spectrum because of 'fixed' agendas in the press... But anyway, I actually agree that the press will dictate the outcome to this.

I could swear you were playing down the impact of Murdoch and the right wing press during the election... What has suddenly made them more effective manipulators of public opinion, in your view?

Ah yes, one of those twats.

Are you fucking kidding me? How in fuck is our little mackem friend going to sleep at night now?

Surely this is one of those times that it's not worth the battle? If our club had done the same thing, we'd be horrified. Let's face it, it's not like any of us would be lining up to defend Charnley or Ashley. Sunderland played him as relegation was on the cards, probably against the better judgement of a good number of their staff. So look, for once, just join the criticism of your club. We've seen RTG, we know some posters on there are saying the same stuff we are (or at least they were until all the threads were wiped out). This is a thing that transcends football, even if only slightly, and we should all be man enough to admit it. It's not that it happened that makes you look 'classless', it's that you've started defending the whole shit show. And you'd say exactly the same thing about us if we started doing the same, situations reversed.