Rayvin

We didn't guarantee it for the first five years though did we? That was old new Labour. Who failed in the last election. Caveat on reflection - you may turn out to be right about this in the end. You've more life experience than I do - be a depressing state of affairs though. Best we can hope for being minor modifications to the status quo rather than any meaningful change.

So you think we should vote them in and hope they do what we want rather than what they said? That doesn't make sense. I would argue it's not even fair tbh.

I was 12. I guess your implication is that I didn't see where Labour placed itself prior to 1997? A fair enough argument but I witnessed in my adult life the shift to the right. Backing austerity despite solid economic arguments not to was what made me believe ideology and winning elections was more important than doing what was best for people. At least in the eyes of old new Labour.

As for whether or not he'll be elected, it doesn't make much difference when the alternative has been pulled so far to the right that it's now centre rather than centre left.

Dunno mate, I do see your wider point here, I just don't share your view of the man. I've listened to what he's saying and looked at what he's doing, and am quite happy with it. In truth though, if I was only looking at how the papers are reporting him, I'd probably be right off the guy.

As I said, for me it's because his of his policies. Well put.

Villa aren't capable of fucking it up for us. It'll only go wrong if we decide not to turn up. Villa could go all out and still lose comfortably if we play as we have been. That's not because we're great, but because that club is utterly hopeless.

I guess you're right on that, but I used to think similar things about Elliot... I think Darlow can improve.

You, sir, are a hero.

I probably would have gone elsewhere, but then Labour put forward an option I believed in. I and others like me aren't at fault here Rents, it's the failing of New Labour that is entirely responsible for where we are. Corbyn had nothing to do with Labour failing in the last election, so everything the Tories are doing up to this point is on New Labour and the Blairities, not Corbyn. You can't blame people for wanting change and something better than what was being served up previously. EDIT - sorry, failed to address your first question - I think it's important to separate how Corbyn is exploiting Tory failures, and how little coverage the press are giving him on anything positive. I think the Guardian has run more stories about this anti-semitism 'scandal' than they have about Hillsborough. That says it all.

Yeah there should be no saving charnley from this masterpiece of uselessness. If we survive it could be the best thing to happen to the club in years though. We lose charnley and gain Rafa. But it remains unlikely.

I remain unchanged personally. If he loses he loses. If they oust him I'll be abandoning the Labour party - unless of course they come back with progressive policies instead of Tory-lite ones. It's always been about policies for me. Not at all impressed by how hard the establishment has worked against Corbyn and it makes me all the more determined to stick with him. Until he does or says something I can't support, that'll be where I am. Stunned that people think the struggles of the Labour party are all at his door tbh, given the conniving machinations of the Blairite wing. I'd like to think my views on how pathetic the Blarites are being are shared by many other younger voters, and I guess we'll see when he's eventually torn down from within where they all go. To the greens probably. I don't think Labour will be stronger for their loss though.

Agreed - both the backups have done well this year. Not sure I'd even be too worried about Krul leaving now.

Although watch fucking Arsenal capitulate against Norwich.

But they did beat Bournemouth today...

I don't see them winning either of those games, but they likely will draw them. I don't think we'll be safe until the last minute of the season.

Thank fuck for that. A lot of similar sentiments on here

I thought you were cursing something in our game for a moment there...

The draws don't matter, they need to start winning now as much as we do.

Sunderland with a penalty apparently...

Sunderland aren't playing well but sounds as though they're defending compactly even though they've created fuck all. I really don't think they're likely to win many, if any, of their games - so we just need to win ours really. Hopefully we can produce a big second half.

We're fucking lucky that all of our backup keepers have some ability. We'd be fucked if they were the usual run of the mill shite.

Is Sissoko allergic to heading footballs?

Nice of Mike Dean to break up play there, that could have been dangerous.