Rayvin

Aren't Labour voters still at about 2/3rds for Remain? It's not like Labour has been rapidly losing Remain voters. That said, Rents, for what it's worth, this has shaken my faith in him. I'm hugely pro-Europe and will be gutted if we leave. I wish he'd come out more strongly on this, but given the state of the Tories and the high likelihood that we're getting another general election very soon, I think there's a case to be made for Labour positioning themselves as far outside of this as they can. The were killed in the last GE over the Scotland affair, it'll be hard for anyone to pin this on them. Corbyn has made this all about the Tories. After this all goes down, Corbyn might even look like a viable person to vote for. He hasn't sullied himself in the eyes of the working class in this campaign, and he'll look a fucking load more competent than the Tories to everyone else. For clarity though, that's not worth it for me. I can see his view, if that's it, but I'd rather have the Tories and be in Europe than have Labour and be out.

Can't blame them for saying that though, they got promoted and are rightly sticking behind their own team. Rightly also assuming that their team have more spirit and guts tbh.

I got it now - agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly.

I can't access it for some reason...

That's actually pretty interesting. I suppose there's a few generations worth of gun support to combat really... all the killings don't seem to make much difference though, which is the only odd thing. What do you think it would take to shake people out of it?

I'd agree with that. Britain would have been much the same a century back, and some of it still creeps into our collective consciousness...

Standard operating procedure for such a scenario, of course.

That's true - I'd been starting to think about leaving the UK in the event of Brexit, but options are thin on the ground as Europe suddenly becomes out of bounds. You're right about things going to the dogs in other countries as well, not even Canada is the liberal state it once was.

Just checked the Fox News coverage of the murder of Jo Cox - the comment section is essentially full of people stating that more guns would have allowed her to defend herself, and that this proves that banning guns doesn't make a difference...

Says 17.18 for me. And clearly the hundreds of other Twitter users who are currently verbally tearing @BrexitNowforUK to pieces.

I know it's not related, or at least I hope it isn't, but you're fucking right with this. The last few weeks have made me increasingly ashamed to be British.

What the fuck? That's utterly horrifying.

Is the Brexit brigade that far off the American right wing...? Pro death penalty, 2/3s don't believe in man made climate change, and they all generally believe immigrants are the root of all social ills.

At least it looks as though we'll qualify anyway. Which is an improvement on the last outing. Still not sure there have been any breakaway strong sides in this tournament, could be anyone's really. EDIT - I don't include England in that 'anyone', obviously.

The false flag is much more likely to be effective the other way around - I doubt this will swing anyone over to Remain, and ffs surely politics in the UK isn't that fucked up yet. If it had been an immigrant on a Tory MP though it would have been a hammer blow to Remain, but as it is, I think most people will just consider this guy to be a random nutjob.

England. Why does anyone, anywhere, even bother.

Are you kidding? He actually did that? Fucking hell man.

Yep, the Fish has great taste in wallpaper from memory...

Hope she's ok, that's a mental thing to happen in this country. Also very stridently hope it's nothing to do with the referendum or what little sanity remains in the whole thing is going to unravel very quickly.

Good grief... that's not related to the referendum is it?

Gordon Brown did for the Scotland issue, but I don't think he'd have quite the same appeal for this one...

Agreed on Cameron. It's utterly unbelievable that he's taken us to this point. I feel for EU citizens in this country as well, must be horrifying seeing all of this. I know a few Spanish people who are very, very worried.

Marina Hyde is literally the only likeable columnist in the Guardian these days. Aside from that, this whole thing is an utter farce now. The country deserves to be taken out back and shot if it votes to leave. Which is convenient, as that's basically what will happen.

There are literally no words for how shit Man Utd's commercial department are. Unbelievable.

Now that we have a bit more dialogue with you on here, what actually is your issue with spaces after full stops?