Rayvin

Agreed, that'd be a far better word for the current state of affairs.

Democracy, if this is its result, doesn't work.

Why on earth is this utter chaos being allowed to happen. The damage is still reversible but looks like it's going to be unfathomable if we stay the course. Obviously the best scenario is for Europe to save our asses by offering some kind of negotiation on free movement, but they aren't going to do that. The more likely option would be for the government, as a collective, across all parties, to come forward and just say 'this is fucking mental and we can't and won't do it'.

I always thought it was about encirclement of Russia, looking at where US military bases now are. Could be wrong though. It actually could just be a fucking vanity project, depressingly.

As ever with these things, it's not hugely clear. I don't think anything will happen to actually put Blair onto a meaningful trial, but it has made it clear that he misled a lot of people by failing to adequately consider an alternative to invasion.

Well, I actually think Corbyn is going to spare Labour some of the barbs here. I think his presence at the head of the party, along with his consistency in speaking out against the Iraq war, has allowed the party to appear more credible in its apologies. This was him speaking at the time:

Firstly, 'my' company here means the one I work for. I don't see any of the benefit to this. Secondly, even if I did I'd appreciate the damage this is causing to so many other people.

This is actually true for my company, so there's that. The problem is that this money is increasingly worthless on anything we invest in outside of the UK.

CT is fucked on this one like - there will be multiple layers of cascading shit coming down from this debacle, and all of it can and will be neatly traced back to his vote.

Have just noticed that teachers are on strike today as well... So the government has pissed off two of the most important public sector workforces in the country, both of whom are now/have been taking action to protect their rights, and at the same time condemned us to a period of, at best, economic chaos, and at worst, long term harm to the country. Is it now fair to say that this Tory government is the worst in UK history? Is there anyone, anywhere who can possibly think that this iteration of the Tories are anything other than the most incompetent party we've ever seen? I'm sure CT will be along shortly of course. At least when Labour 'fucked up the country' they could rightly point out that the recession was a global event over which they had no control. The Tories singlehandledly imposed this fucking lunacy on us, with no scapegoats whatsoever.

The dutch are cowards, so Essembee probably thinks Sissoko will fit right in.

Good. That chapter finally fucking closes.

Can't say I've noticed him blinking tbf.

He'll have voted to confirm that toontastic is full of babies who couldn't accept that he was right, and who tried to infect his computer with Russian spyware.

Aye, all the worst people blink.

The BMA membership just rejected the new deal offered by Hunt The government are in the wars here, make no mistake. Makes sense though - if the BMA membership have looked at the EU result, and the impact that it will have on skilled workers coming to the country, then they're fucking right to think their negotiating position has just improved.

This is a good article on the Corbyn-Momentum aspect of politics: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/05/political-establishment-momentum-jeremy-corbyn This basically sums up what I was attempting to convey on here at the time of voting for him. There was no expectation that he was a great leader or that his personality would win people over. I was voting for him because I believed in his policies and was prepared to listen to what he was saying beyond soundbites. Also agree with the consideration of why so many in the establishment find him so dangerous, and want to make it look like 'personality' is the most important thing. Glad someone has articulated it. Interesting that the Guardian is starting to about-turn on this a bit now.

Sorry, didn't mean to infer that it was a Corbyn only thing, just that Corbyn's movement was my (most recent) voting channel for this.

I really feel this way. I'm ultimately not in the group that will be most affected by this nonsense, and have generally tried to vote for the greater good at each available opportunity (as NJS suggests we should do). Which is why I voted Corbyn, knowing full well that his priority should he ever get elected would be people other than myself. But it's clear that this is a pointless exercise. The EU vote has brought me to the brink of not giving a fuck about who governs the country any more beyond thinking that I should just vote in my immediate self interest. That's what everyone else is clearly doing. To be honest, I feel like a bit of an idiot for thinking that there were enough people in this country who believed in fairness and the common good.

Brexiters initially concluded Mark Carney was taking a strong and determined stance, and that he was an example of how we should all be in the face of this - now he's 'one of the elites' and trying to scaremonger. People in this country really hate intelligence.

I have now googled this term and agree that this would suck if it happened to you

50% is high...

Sounds like the FT is countenancing anti-austerity policies there.