Rayvin

I think they could very possibly have just supported Corbyn up until it became clear (arguably now, but I expect over the next 4 years there would have been other opportunities) that this wasn't working. Had they done this, a leadership contest would have looked far more credible and not the machinations of people who have spent the past year resisting him and actively working towards his demise, to the detriment of the party itself. Basically, had they behaved with any sense of honour, much of this utter fucking chaos would have been avoided. The issue now, for someone like myself at least, is that I no longer want anything to do with Labour. Not because of Corbyn, but because the party seems determined to tear itself asunder. I have lost faith in Corbyn, especially if these rumours about him undermining the Remain campaign are true (would have preferred it if he just came out and said he didn't believe in it rather than actively undermining it), but that pales in comparison to the extent to which I've lost faith in Labour on the whole.

If the car crashes, it'll have been a joint effort in which almost every Labour MP has been complicit. Never will one party have so thoroughly deserved to have been obliterated.

There are no good options. Agree with Gemmill on May, she really is a sociopath. First thing she'd do is abolish the human rights charter and come up with our own version which will doubtless allow waterboarding and the use of water cannons on the general public.

Agreed. And as long as freedom of movement is kept, I'll just pretend the rest of it isn't happening. Possibly by moving to London.

Oh for fucks sake. We can't even turn around and say 'well the rich did this to us, they should pay' this time.

At this point I just hope we get to keep freedom of movement. I'd like as little to change as possible, even if it means Europe thinks we're utterly mental.

I mean, there's nothing left to do now but laugh, really.

He's got to stay on the ticket. To be honest, I think he even deserves to be, as plenty of people seem to want him there. The issue is that Labour can't be a broad church anymore, the referendum has split them. The centre will head off to the Lib Dems, or a pact with the Lib Dems, and Corbyn will keep on the left. The problem though is that the vote will be split, and no one will be able to stop the right wing governments.

Say what?

Labour are finished man, they're done. I was talking to my partner earlier about the very real possibility that we'll have to vote Tory to keep out UKIP...

England Why does anyone bother.

Absolute bollocks And I hate Osborne.

I don't watch England these days so I'm not suffering through this with you, but it sounds utterly predictable.

So as things stand, everything that has occurred you're saying has been both expected, and not serious?

In other news, the PLP conference appears to be on the brink of descending into a full blown shouting match, and there's a huge rally outside backing Corbyn, largely made up of the SWP. Hard to argue the party hasn't been hijacked on that evidence, albeit it's only a small proportion of the overall Corbyn voter base. I think as JJ said, Labour is fucked. Who's going to save you now, CT?

CT for fucks sake, this must be starting to sink in now.

Also worth noting the fact that he is sponsored by the Sun...

Marina Hyde is superb

I don't mind Cameron doing that though tbf. Johnson deserves for this to be as painful as possible.

Oh ffs, this is going to be a slow motion car crash of an event isn't it.

It took me way too long to work out what was being said here.

There's also no guarantee that they'll actually be able to oust him if it goes to a leadership contest. I think they're trying to force him to stand down. If it goes to a contest, and he wins (as seems likely), where do we go from there? They won't have a leg to stand on. Party split in two?

EDIT - Maria Eagles gone too. How the Tories must love the Labour Party... this is sensational stuff No coming back from this IMO, whatever happens. Will be really interesting to see if they manage it.

Aye, this thread is basically everyone attempting to demonstrate to CT that the risks were too great with facts, evidence and statistics, and him ignoring us. He was initially undecided though, until it became clear that so many of us thought Brexit was a bad idea. Then he knew what his position had to be.