Rayvin

No. Labour is dead. We covered this last night.

Why are they so upset about this, that's what I don't get. Allardyce did no better last season than their previous 8 or so managers. His track record is dire and they played shit football. That said it is a mystery from the FA. Didn't one of them come out recently and say that they didn't know very much about football at all though?

'Far' left ideals remain unrealised because no one ever gets a chance to try it - because everyone is told that it doesn't work, and therefore that it can't win. Not because it functionally can't work. Unless you're thinking of Communism (the actual far left, and much farther left than Corbyn), which did fail. But then, so has Neo-Liberalism, and yet here we are...

It did though. This was inevitable as soon as we voted out. Had we stayed in, Corbyn could have spoken out to the working class and better represented them than Labour has managed to do so up until now. But he came too late, and was hamstrung by fuckwits. The conclusion was that the working class took matters into their own hands, threw the country as we know it onto the scrap heap, obliterated Labour, and handed free reign and uninterrupted supremacy to the Tories. I bet they're going to be looked after now though, the Tories always take decisions that work in the favour of those at the bottom, as we know... We all fucking deserve this, that's the mental thing.

I definitely said that bit. I think I was expressing something like 'there's going to be right wing governments for a generation or more'. You argued that this wouldn't be the case. I told you so...

It really didn't mate. It was done the second we voted out. I think I even said so, not that I'm going to wade back through to check. The second the working class threw their lot in with UKIP, and the UK voted out of Europe and thus allowed the possibility of a Scottish referendum again, Labour were done.

Absolutely spot on.

It might if Labour split - imagine if the Tories were fighting off a union of all of these small left wing parties. PR would be inevitable as the Tories would have total control otherwise.

The Labour Party ceased to be after the referendum - it's no more dead now than it was two weeks ago.

Fair fucking point

Parties win from the centre with FPTP - we're increasingly in need of PR.

Well of course - that comment would have been much more relevant pre-Rafa. But I imagine we all know what I mean

I mean, it's as if Labour don't want anyone to vote for them ever again. I didn't think it was possible to be more disillusioned with politics and 'democracy' (not that anything going on is democratic, except that accursed referendum) and yet, Labour always find a way to make you feel worse. They're like the Newcastle United of politics.

I've not found an improved Silver Sword past the first one... I'm guessing those don't trade up as frequently as normal swords, but even so. Maybe I've just been unlucky.

Ok so I bought this over the weekend as I figured I'd read enough positive praise about it. Enjoying the narrative and the settings and so on - combat is reasonable and I expect to get better at it over time of course. The only thing that's pissing me off is werewolves. I'm admittedly not highly leveled (7) at present, but there's been two quests now where beating a werewolf has been one of the objectives. I'll pummel them down to about half health and then regen kicks in. Regen that is fucking incredible to the point where I literally can't do damage fast enough to stop it from rising. So the question is - should I get a better sword, is there some kind of potion I should be using to improve my chances... or have they just made werewolves ridiculous? The one's I'm fighting are about my level. I'm not struggling to take down level 12 enemies of other species, so I don't think the issue is that I'm under levelled. Other than that, enjoying it.

Aye, guess that's a fair point. We'll see at the end of the day, I guess.

Good insight, that.

Agree on PR. Agree that there's nothing Corbyn can do without the PLP, also. My point really was that the PLP need to shift left or they're not going to have anywhere else to stand. Maybe you're right about the centreleft, but if May's speech is anything to go by, the Tories just moved closer to that position.

Fucking hell I actually have a lot of sympathy, this sounds fucking annoying beyond all reckoning.

Fair play, Tom.

I saw some optimism in her stances as well, so I agree there - a lot of it sounds sensible and promising. just don't see how centre-left Labour can work anymore as a result. She's just taken their position. Corbyn or bust, now.

I think I'm with you on that, what would be the point in hanging about? If she goes that far for appealing to the working class, what would be the point of Labour anyway?

I wonder what the effect of that will be on the party. I'm genuinely curious actually. There'll inevitably be an exodus of members, and I suspect that Labour will be unelectable for many years to come... but maybe we'll all have forgotten about it come 2020.