Rayvin

Ah so it's that basic. That's just kind of sad, really.

Yep, and 90% of what was voted for isn't going to happen. Is this the most moronic political decision in the history of this country? Yes, I would say so.

How has he decided you come across as an IRA fanatic exactly

Agreed - but I don't know who is being quoted. I assumed IDS since his name is at the bottom in the bulletins, but it could be unrelated.

but also

I agree with this post as well. But the party is now tearing itself apart, which makes his position shaky at best.

This is a good point, and I suspect true. That said, there was nothing anyone could have said that the working classes would have believed, having been lied to for so many years by parties of all colours. I don't know what anyone could have said to avert this, except 'lets not have a referendum'. What should Corbyn have said, in your view?

CT, I've said it a couple of times now, but this bright future you keep going on about seems to rest entirely on the shoulders of Labour. Who you and the other right wingers won't vote for. Indeed, many of us won't vote for them now either. So how exactly are they going to get back into power? You have condemned us to the Tories, but a version of the Tories who are free to form 'their own legislation'. Capital punishment just around the corner I expect.

He still hasn't gone though. At the minute this just looks like another Labour shambles.

I feel that way about England all the time. Betting on them to win is asking for trouble IMO.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer. No change. We've voted out of Europe for nothing more than 'avoiding legislation'. That's what he's saying. Freedom of movement will remain, abiding by EU single market conditions will remain, the money spent will remain. Immigration, will remain. I actually find this reassuring. We look like utter fuckwits, but at least basically nothing is going to change, apparently. Hopefully the EU sees it this way as well.

We had one Scotland referendum in 2014, and I do not detect any real appetite to have another one soon The man is utterly delusional. And likely hoping that he can put off the referendum for Scotland long enough that he doesn't have to be the one overseeing it (i.e. post 2020).

Notice how he refers to politicians as our 'rulers'.

None of the leavers have a plan - this is because none of them wanted out (except Farage)

Oh I see Andy Burnham has come out in support of Corbyn. That's quite noble of him.

Hopefully not. I continue to believe that Labour will be terminally damaged by this, and split into two (at least in terms of voters, if not actual parties). The Lib Dems are apparently hoovering people up. I haven't left yet, waiting for this debacle to end first. Perpetual right wing governments, here we come. It's going to be like the glorious days of empire all of again. Tally ho, CT! We're all in this together, what?

That escalated pretty quick, account deletions and so on...!

Momentum now mobilising to save Corbyn. He won't be elected out, he's going to have to go himself if this is going to end.

Duly noted.

It's getting fucked ridiculous this, like. Part of me thinks that this is coming from the fact that so many countries have declared independence from us, that we now want to feel that we were victimised and oppressed.

Um no, I meant the actual PLP with that. Not the membership. I appreciate that the membership have divided views on this. Also, as I said, I'm off to the Lib Dems. No point in me staying in a party on the 'far left' when those who it would be helping are voting us out of Europe. That decision has made my views and theirs incompatible.

Does Twitter tell you when people unfollow you? I imagine that's a recipe for disaster. Or has Stevie just audited his followers?

This is looking desperate now, like. Corbyn has to go at this point or allow the Blairites to tear the party apart. If there is a GE, as now seems likely, I think we can safely say that it's going to be a hung parliament.