Rayvin

Wow... what a blow from Cameron. I mean, there's a part of me that thinks he can get to fuck since this entire crisis is his doing, but on the other hand Corbyn is now being told to leave by both Labour and the Tories And the membership will just return him anyway How fucked Labour are...

I won't be voting for them, so it makes no odds to me.

Aye sounds like a good move for him. Hope it works out.

More Labour MPs leaving. I'm really struggling to think what they imagine is going to happen if they oust Corbyn. The whole party looks 'unelectable' now, not just him.

What about the thousands of jobs? That's not good, whichever way you colour it. Companies are pulling out.

If there's one thing that comes from this, it's that referendums should be fucking banned. Utterly mental holding the country hostage to this shitshow for nothing more than Tory Party infighting. Governments should not be allowed to do this.

Absolutely. People need to take responsibility for this when it goes tits up - and it's already doing that. When jobs go, when taxes rise, when investment in vital public services diminishes and we become a poorer country, the Leavers will have to accept that they fucked the country up. They won't, as they'll scapegoat something else (likely on the whims of whatever populist politician we have at that point) but ultimately this is on them.

Actually, this might help save Europe. If 10,000s of jobs leave the UK and go to Europe, their unemployment will go down. We'll be fucked, but we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

I thought Crabb's speech was pretty good but I hope he doesn't win as he seems to be intent on ending access to the single market.

That is hilarious

Apparently 1000 jobs are going to go as Visa move out of London as they need to be in the EU. Is anyone keeping track of how many jobs this is costing yet? That must be about 5000 confirmed already that we know about, and it's been a matter of days.

At the same time Renton, it's now very clear that Corbyn was not, by any stretch, the only problem in the Labour party. Their utter failure in the years gone by made him inevitable.

He's right that the members have to decide this. Feels like the PLP are about to get their noses bloodied...

Beat you to it, CT.

Decisive vote though. 172 to 40.

Is that the best Labour has left?

I meant the issue I was referring to. My point was that the EU superstate was definitely something people (maybe you?) had raised as a concern.

That was definitely one of the cited issues I don't think it's going to fail though - closer political and economic union will see it through. If Britain collapses, they'll point to us as the warning of what may happen to those who leave. If we don't collapse it may struggle more, I accept. This is one of the reasons why I don't think we'll get off easy in negotiations. They'll do just enough to make sure things don't look rosy here.

Ah the EU superstate that Britain was preventing until we left? That superstate is looking a whole lot more fucking likely at the moment.

This tweet demonstrates both that Boris Johnson and Leave had no fucking idea what they were offering to the public, and worse, that we are indeed going to leave the Single Market. Johnson cannot become PM.

Wasn't aware you'd predicted the break-up of the UK, CT?

Rupert Murdoch has called the British vote to leave the EU “wonderful” and described Donald Trump a “very able man” in comments made in London on Tuesday. In his first public comments since last week’s historic referendum vote, the owner of several newspapers including the Times, the Sun and the Wall Street Journal said that leaving the EU was like a “prison break ... we’re out” and suggested that a UK/US trade deal wouldn’t take long to negotiate.

If the Chilcot thing goes down the way that guy feels it might, with Corbyn making no excuses, Labour won't win a snap election. New Labour really is on the ropes here.

Very possible. We'll see in two weeks, I imagine. But if this guy is right, I think it settles the issue concerning who tore Labour apart. Blair.

Yeah saw that before... This is England, 2016.