Rayvin

It can only have been about continuing to lower expectations. I think on that basis, Allardyce has done a fucking marvellous job. The next England manager just has to be vaguely competent and not corrupt. Which rules out a lot of them tbf...

Unbelievable that he'd jeopardise himself in this way like. If you think about it, it actually is unbelievable. A month into the job and getting involved in dodgy backroom deals. The man must think he's bulletproof. And I guess we're about to find out if he is.

Surely not Pardew. What the fuck is going on with football, seriously. What happens if Allardyce goes back to Sunderland after the inevitable sacking of Moyes as well..?

Seriously?!

That'll be it...

I guess that's the dubious thing then. He has tacitly condoned third party ownership by even entertaining this. I think if it was further into his tenure they might do something about it, but this soon it would just be a massive embarrassment and a very costly mistake. I don't think the FA have the stones to do much about it.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/26/aston-villa-patience-roberto-di-matteo-sack-tony-xia-championship Di Matteo has two games to save his job apparently. Needs to win one of them.

I don't think you're completely wrong like, but I reckon even if we lose to Norwich - if we win the subsequent game the fans will be back on side again. We shouldn't lose to Norwich though.

I think ewerk has a point mind. I was thinking he would have admitted taking bungs or something but he actually seemed to play it fairly straight. It's embarrassing but the FA surely aren't going to sack him over it. The only question I have really is if he wasn't giving them information on how to bypass the rules, just saying it could be done, what exactly did he think he was meeting them for?

That's actually quite funny. Totally irrelevant to being president but funny.

Why the fuck did he move then, just to remain PL? Knacker.

I don't think we're that far along yet. Remember we beat qpr 6-0 a couple of weeks ago...

so good...

Better video with better rapping This was the follow up one which I think is better and shows why there's no easy answer. Keynesian spending pulled the US out of recession but the counter argument is that you just get booms and busts.

In truth, there are plenty of counter arguments to Keynesianism as I said earlier. This video is a good look at it and it actually criticises Keynesianism in a rap battle between Keynes and Hayek to make it approachable. I'm not convinced personally though, and am prepared to listen to arguments. The theory is logically sound.

Great, we now have the potted history of the man behind the theory... and your counter argument is?

Aw ffs, I'm starting to feel bad now Maybe we should knock it on the head? Change our twitter hashtag? Although if it was that big a problem I guess they would have done that...

Keynesian economics (/ˈkeɪnziən/ KAYN-zee-ən; orKeynesianism) are the various theories about how in the short run, and especially during recessions, economic output is strongly influenced by aggregate demand (total spending in the economy).

:lol: Sorry, shouldn't laugh, but...

I told you, the man is fucking taking over the world. Or at least the football blogosphere.

Who is them? New Labour was Keynesian as well. The public seemed to be on board then. I know the political history insofar as you guys have explained it on here, in some considerable detail I might add - but I think the set of circumstances are different. We have a dwindling middle class, young people who can't afford to leave their parent's homes well into their 30s, the highest income inequality gap this country has ever seen, Brexit, no growth to speak of, and of course, the fucking internet. Notable for being a tool by which people can bypass the media. We aren't going back to unions, we're moving forward (hopefully) to greater equality.

Well I don't think they should be and the mood in the party leadership doesn't *seem* to be for that either. Reconciliation is needed now. I only quoted him because it is quite a stirring speech which I think puts over what this is all about. Power without Principles (an exaggeration certainly) got us to the widespread disillusionment and ultimate defeat that he mentions.

CT - you're impossible to argue with properly on this because you don't actually look at what people are saying. If you have a suggestion that debunks Keynesian economic theory (and they do exist) then I'm all ears, but until then, you've got nothing other than the fact that most people are as ill informed as you are on economics. Sorry, I don't want this to sound harsh, but I've tried putting it over gently. It is imperative that we spend our way back to growth. The country is crying out for it. Fair enough. Not fear, just entertainment. We'll see how it develops I guess.

You reckon keeping it divisive is the way to go then? I'm not actively hostile to the Labour MPs that won't get on message but you have to question what the point in them remaining within the party is if they don't get with the program. I don't give a shit what happens to them as long as they don't get in the way (which they spent the entire previous calendar year doing).

This is from the Unite General Secretary - quite stirring, actually... I now call on Labour MPs to show what they can do from the Commons floor. Unite the party and back its leadership so that we can all fight together for this new economy. The Tories may steal our language but it is only Labour who can deliver the vision. A vision of socialist change and a rejection of free market capitalism. It was Harold Wilson who won four general elections, who once said ‘If Labour is not a moral crusade then we’re nothing’. Now I’ve heard people lecture us about the futility of principles without power. But comrades, we’ve also seen where power without principles leads to. It leads to disillusionment, disappointment and ultimate defeat. Of course we must win power. But we must also use power for our people, for working people. So I ask all of you not to be debilitated by the media and those within our own ranks who seek to undermine your confidence in the fight that lies ahead. So I say to the merchants of doom, in the words of Shakespeare’s Henry V, if you have no stomach for this fight depart the battlefields. Because sisters and brothers, in my 45 years in our party I have never known such a battle that lies ahead for a better Britain and for our ideals. What we need now is brave men and women with the courage and commitment to fight for our cause, the cause of true Labour.