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Agreed, they do need to provide this.

Labour could have regulated the banks better. The Tories were in agreement, if I recall correctly, with Labour strategy. So that's the whole UK government at fault there, not just Labour. And as everyone has said, the whole fucking thing started in the US. But look, we've argued this before. I know we have because this argument is central to my 'New Labour abandoned us when they agreed with the Tory rhetoric that CT is now spouting' complaint.

They're going to borrow the money cheaply and based on economically robust theories. There you go. Problem is, you don't believe in this option, so you're not going to vote for him.

Aye his international policies take some work. However, he seems to have acknowledged that Trident is going to remain Labour policy, so that's one of your hurdles out of the way Rents.

I thought that too but wasn't sure if even CT could be that contrary.

I went for 2-1 in this one but am now having doubts...

Me too, actually. Was sure he'd turn up with his videos and so on. Anyways, I'd seriously recommend reading or watching Corbyn's speech to anyone who is skeptical. It was a good fucking speech despite what CT thinks. The Guardian was doing a MBM of it here: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2016/sep/28/jeremy-corbyn-speech-labour-conference-jeremy-corbyns-today-interview

Wow didn't realise you were even in the US - whereabouts? Fair enough though (that said, we have a healthy discussion going on US politics as well).

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More from Corbyn - for gloom's benefit I think: We are a long way from that humanitarian vision … Britain continues to sell arms to Saudi Arabia … a country that the United Nations says is committing repeated violations of international humanitarian law … war crimes … in Yemen........ just as we have seen taking place in Syria. So today I make it clear … that under a Labour government … when there are credible reports of human rights abuses or war crimes being committed … British arms sales will be suspended, starting with Saudi Arabia.

Well I meant the poorest, but I suppose it depends where you draw the line on poor? I had a loan as well by the way along with a grant for being poor. I'm the proud owner of £18k student loan debt.

Different reasons though isn't it? i.e. the Tory version of events is a lie.

You sound pretty well informed to be honest, I would throw your opinion in there anyway if you have something to say.

He didn't say. It'll be interesting, but as someone who benefitted from a University grant, I hope it covers as many people as it can, ultimately.

Howay, you don't post in the Politics thread much so you may not be aware of this - your rational line of reasoning doesn't work on CT. He has transcended logic and rationality - he is now able to manipulate the truths of the universe as he sees fit.

Wow, didn't realise you held such sway in the US political sphere.

Example of Corbyn setting out a spending policy with where it will come from: We’ve already started to set out some of this … pledging to raise corporation tax by less than 1.5% to give an Education Maintenance Allowance to college students … and grants to university students … so that every young learner can afford to support themselves as they develop skills and get qualifications.

What we're seeing here is the Politics thread about to take over the whole forum I mentioned it in the Politics thread so I may as well mention it here in its rightful place - I watched 'That Sugar Film' recently which details the evils of Fructose and how they put it in everything, how it is all over 'healthy weight loss foods', and how it is more responsible for obesity than fat. Which I personally found staggering when you think that we're trying to combat obesity at a national level, and we're not even combatting the right thing. Surprisingly entertaining film, although I think the kind of humour the main guy has would grate for some people.

Yeah I don't think Ritchie will ever be the kind of player we look back on and remember moments of him scoring 'that' wondergoal or 'that' mazy dribble, but if he hangs around long enough he could end up with a similar sort of reputation as people like Rob Lee (not saying he's as good, but you know what I mean).

Ahhh. Yes ok I see how he's arrived at that conclusion (Livingstone) but agree that it's a ridiculous thing to say - likely out of desperation. I don't see why it's so hard to focus political attacks on Israel and not all Jewish people though. Although I suppose Livingstone would likely argue that he does this and that he is misrepresented.

Absolutely he is, I'm just saying he seems to support the view that you, I, and most people on here have about immigration when it comes to the EU - i.e. that limiting immigration, while it might be what people think they want, isn't actually the solution. I think it's commendable for him to say that. But yes, it's a hard sell.

So hang on, Naz Shah said that Hitler was right to do what... I'm assuming not the holocaust? I recall something about this, but I was under the impression that it was some reference to Zionism...?

Did Naz Shah or Livingston state that what Hitler did was legal?!

Aye that's true - I'd not come across the term PLP before all this nonsense broke out. They need to unify, that's pretty much all there is to it. We can stop talking about the PLP if they just get back together, hammer out their differences, and remember that the main thing, really, is to attack the Tories and not each other.