Rayvin

Maybe he heard that if you give pussies cream, they will come? ... I'm drunk, shut up.

FFS.

World domination. Isn't it always for people like Noel Edmunds?

What if that spurs on the opposition?!

At the very least that's what I'm hoping for

I predict that the first 3-1 we get will be the one where Andrew gives it up and goes for a 1-0 win instead.

Fair comment

No, he means the data about who voted out, in terms of demographics and population centres, at the referendum. The people who listened to them, basically. They know which seats will be most receptive to their message which, for a smaller party, gives them some vital data on where they'll get the most bang for their buck. It's a fair enough point I think - it doesn't mean they're going to crash in there and clean up at the next GE, but if they can get their message right they know where to hit Labour.

To be fair, CT's argument is that the data UKIP have secured as a result of the referendum will allow them to target people, voters who might be swayed by their nonsense, in a much more efficient way than previously. It'll also allow them to get a better picture of what those voters are asking for. Yes they'd need to be smart about it. Yes they probably aren't capable of that. But his point, and perhaps I'm being generous here, is that the potential exists.

I think wealth inequality will become a bigger issue - the right will choke on it eventually. When people clear out the immigrants, when there's no one to blame but the people actually at fault, it'll be the left that takes hold. The big danger of Brexit for big business and the Tories I reckon is that it exposes them to the judgement of the masses. They have literally nothing to hide behind now. We'll see now if it really was 'all the EU's fault'. I don't think people will forget that it was right wing politics that brought us here.

I don't think it's an either/or scenario mate. I suspect both are unlikely. Though if I HAD to bet, I'd bet on racist stupidity. Every time.

I agree - I said Labour was finished as an electoral force as soon as the referendum result was in. Corbyn or no. This isn't about political parties anymore IMO, it's about the whole political ideology.

Just, why?

Also true. Unless Labour haemorrhage votes to them. I think this is less likely under Corbyn than under Smith and the PLP establishment but what the fuck do I know.

Actually think CT is right about this point; they could certainly reach out to those voters more effectively than they have been previously. The crux here though is the extent to which the voter base who voted for Brexit are racist idiots. And on that basis, we might be in trouble. UKIP have no vision or future for the country, but that won't stop people voting for them. As I say, the centreground is in trouble - caught between the 'hard' lefts and 'hard' rights.

I actually approve of that gesture - Ibrahimovic does have a big nose. It needed to be pointed out.

I think this is probably about right, but I think that group of centrist voters is going to be smaller than you might expect. The Tories are going to be the hegemonic party after this and I don't see much changing on that front until a few years down the line when they have no one but themselves to blame for the post-Brexit problems and widespread disillusionment that will follow. Labour needs to be in position for when that happens, and it needs to be a fucking alternative for the first time in decades. Hopefully it will be. The centre hasn't solved anything as far as I can see. It's delayed things, but the numbers of people left behind is getting too large now.

As I posted in the Politics thread...

... Sometimes I read CT's posts and just think that there's no point in democracy, we're all just fucked.

I wish I'd been on here when that happened.

It'll hopefully get us back on politics at least, rather than whatever the fuck it is that Labour think they've been doing this summer.

Why's that? And does he mean we'll get hard Brexit or just no Brexit?

The BBC has now rolled out Corbyn's ex-wife ffs She's voting Smith apparently. I mean, how desperate do you have to get to bring out his ex wife? In more measured and relevant news, it sounds as though his win isn't going to be as decisive as last time. Which surprises me to a degree because Smith is perhaps the only person in politics that Corbyn is more charismatic than. But I suppose this has nothing to do with the candidates and everything to do with the principle.

Sounds right to me.