Rayvin

That's the statement then. Labour won't get more than 83 seats according to Renton. At least that's a line in the sand that we can come back to and pore over in 4 years time Incidentally, where are those votes going to go? Presumably CT is now right about UKIP? There must be stats for this somewhere? Would be interesting to see if anyone has them.

For the record, I acknowledge that you paid 10 times as much per year as a member than the latest cohort are. I give £10 a month personally and I'm not sure where the falls on your scale, but either way, if there's a lot of people in and around my level, they should be ok.

You and I clearly have different views on what PLP career politicians are prepared to do, but you may be right. As I said, we'll see. And as for the rest, I think Momentum might have it covered...

Because of course, all of the electorate are going to vote against him. And all the additional money which they're raising through having such large numbers won't help at all in campaigning, will it? It's happened, let's just see where it goes. For what it's worth, true to my word, I didn't vote in the end. I abstained. But I can't deny I'm pleased with the result.

I don't think enough of you are leaving that the party won't end up with a net higher number... It's sad of course that you did leave, though with the shambles of the last year I can see why (although I spread blame more evenly than you on this), but the thing that's bothering me is whether or not you are leaving because you just don't agree with his policies, or if it's because you don't think he can win? If the latter, that's a stupid reason to leave. Sorry but it is. That's just tribalism. If it's the policies then fair enough. The Shadow Cabinet will be interesting - it could be great if some of the PLP heavyweights get their heads out of their collective arses. We'll have to see on that front. I think the Party will do fine if it can be stabilised early enough. It all depends on the PLP really.

I'm not sure how statistically relevant it is, but his increased margin doesn't include the 130,000, presumably predominantly Corbyn aligned, voters who couldn't participate. Had they participated, fuck knows how large the margin would have been.

I know what you're saying but that statement seems bizarre given what we've just seen.

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/jake-berry-the-conservative-party-must-double-its-membership-its-time-for-maymentum.html Behold, the Tories being worried: Where Corbyn is effective, and which should concern us as Conservatives, is that in 48 hours this week he inspired more people to join the Labour Party than there are members of the Conservative Party nationally. This has grossed the Labour Party almost £5 million, making an activist-rich, left-wing, Momentum-dominated Labour Party a real threat to the Conservatives.

He'll only fail if the most vulnerable are too stupid to vote for him and end up running off to UKIP as CT envisages. If they do that, they deserve the Tories in power. The more important thing is that we actually have a political debate about what this country should look like within reach now, instead of two parties trying to out-compete each other for the centre-ground with flimsy policy differences. The Tories will see this as an open goal for the GE but they have to be - have to be - terrified of the possibility that he'll win. That alone could inspire them to enact better policies.

Try as I might, I can't bring myself to feel bad about this. The PLP needed their arses handing to them and they got it. Now let Corbyn succeed or fail on his own terms. At least the electorate are actually going to have to make a choice at the next GE.

That was so inevitable. The whole thing was so pointless.

FFS. He deserves this as well, the fucknut.

I wonder if she's using him as the vehicle through which to assert her authority. She reels him out occasionally and gives him a mullering, and it keeps the rest of them in line?

Fucking hell I think she's going to regret making some of the appointments that she has.

Mash is stepping back in to run Sports Direct again. Unsure what the impact on us will be save to say that it's unlikely he'll give much of a damn (not that he has historically) going forward.

Policy based on emotion is where we're headed. We live in a post-truth era.

Too late? For Labour or for the world as we know it? Also, what nasty surprises? The policies that JC has put forward are what people are drawn in by. If Momentum ditch those policies, why would anyone hang around? The issue for most people is that no one thinks he can win, and that this experiment will cause people to suffer. Not that some manner of evil is about to rise in the West, as you seem to be suggesting...?

How many of them do you think there are, exactly?

As soon as who is all in..?

Unless its in a party leadership contest, and then apparently you can.

CT just admitted he was wrong about something... has that ever happened before?

He's voted in all of them so far. He's still here, just giving us all the silent treatment

Why did she quit?

I think Villa will be up for this as losing to us will be mentally devastating for them if they still see themselves as promotion contenders. I'm going to go 2-2.

To be fair, we have a reasonably impressive rotation system in effect. The hope is that one day we wear him down and he just gives up. No luck so far. It's almost as if he feeds off this kind of thing