Rayvin

Ah true enough - I've already concluded that I could never go into politics based on some of the rants made in private messages on facebook (where I'm less restrained). It depends on how likely you are to show up on their radar I guess.

Yes except that anyone with designs on such a thing wouldn't use gmail or yahoo. Or if they did, they'd deserve to get caught. For you, is it just the principle, or do you see some manner of long term issue posed to yourself as a result of ignoring this?

I still use gmail. To be honest, this shit doesn't bother me probably as much as it should though... At the end of the day, I can't imagine that they're literally reading each email. It'll be scanning them for words they potentially don't like, but given that I've no plans at present to overthrow the state, I don't see my emails being of any real interest to them. I'd feel differently if they were using this as a means of corporate espionage.

Being fair though, that's a grim fucking picture of her.

God, that looks like there's nothing inside her head. Just a dark shadow where her eyes should be. Like someone is wearing her face...

Aye, essembee, this is a fucking weird argument to have. Clearly you're applying double standards on this one - and you don't need to, Sunderland provide fucking loads of examples of subhuman behaviour as a football club without us having to come up with examples that could just as easily be turned back on us...

I thought I responded to your post mate, sorry! Generally speaking, I'm glad there are some people on here capable of resisting the lure of the Tories as they get older. Renton and Gemmill should take note

I always value your contributions in this thread, rare though they are.

What the actual fuck has gone on there exactly? I'm assuming she just woke up one morning and realised what she'd done, but did something kick it off?

Wow.

Sorry, Gemmill.

Which is why she campaigned against it. Born again or something is she? So full of shit...

He is a fucking dead ringer like The nose, the eyebrows...

I meant if we know it's going to fall further. Buy now, cash out when it hits parity. Although I also accept that it's going to go back the other way soon... do you think they're going to happen more or less on top of each other? Some people are going to make a killing here.

If that's true, it'd be a good time to buy dollars...

Yes but he's the gateway to that. I swear I've made this point before

FFS you guys are really battering my hopeful outlook. As a caveat - I think New Labour promised the defeat the Tories forever in their move to the centreground (in reference to your cynicism), but I don't think this is about party politics anymore. That whole system isn't working. I think for me this is more about Neo Liberalism and whether it can survive the current political chaos.

Fully agree with Parky on this, it's the basis of my thinking too. It may not happen, but it could. Especially in a political climate where things like Brexit are possible.

I think my hope isn't necessarily so much for Labour, although I could imagine Corbyn offering that and sticking to it out of principle actually - it's the fact that the Tories are preserving a failing status quo - the longer they preserve it, the harder it must fail... I hope. Looking at the political upheaval across the continent, I don't think it's entirely unrealistic to hope for something seismic here. I could be wrong of course, but as I've said to death in the past, given that old new Labour were no more capable of beating the Tories in a GE at present than current New Labour, and have in fact now failed twice, I consider supporting Corbyn as a measured risk. To clarify, my hope would be that Corbyn moves the discussion left, as I believe he is doing, and that this gives rise to the forces, one way or another, that bring about meaningful progressive change.

Er, ok sure - but so what? If they get thrown out and we get a party that changes the system, gives us PR, ensures that they can never come back in the way they have here - then so be it, in my book.

Only if they do what you say they will do - i.e. promise the earth and give nothing. If the move to the centre and actually deal in centreground politics, then my point is that they're just as good as New Labour. If they feign moving to the centre to win votes, it'll only increase disillusionment with them as a political force.