Rayvin

I'm starting to wonder if this should be renamed the Essembee Thread.

Aye, that is telling actually. Although I strongly feel that people who are around 30 now were the last good generation to come out of Britain The state of what's coming through their 20s at the moment is fucking terrifying.

Never had any time for the royal family at all. An anachronism in this day and age.

Do you reckon if you'd had mobile phones when you were at school, this kind of thing wouldn't have happened? Also, I'm not sure it's actually all that legit to store hordes of these photos on your PC - that has to be a child porn issue, surely? In Gemmill's story, the kid whose laptop that was could actually be charged with distribution ffs. You see stories like this is the news from time to time.

I can see how it would be a bit much if you're a parent, mind.

Never had to apologise for anything on that front...

The girls might enjoy it too man Women aren't all hopelessly weak and naive you know. Was heading that way when I was at uni actually, educated girls were very happy to discuss and use of all manner of sex toys...

So the Twittersphere has put forward that Woolfe offered to fight the other guy outside, which presumably everyone else present felt was acceptable? and then apparently lost and was punched repeatedly. If that's true then UKIP are going to look like total knackers.

Yeah sounds like it was some punch. I think it's very interesting that they've not revealed who threw it, mind. Presumably hoping that the whole thing will blow over if he recovers quickly enough. Hopefully he's ok but yes, fully agree with the rest of your comment.

I think it's all well and good saying that if you're someone who hasn't lost anyone, is the thing. I like a rational analysis that keeps emotion out of it for most concepts, but I'm struggling a bit with this one. I read that blog post you linked to and came away thinking that I was happy with all three of those 'exceptions' being in place - even rationally. Yes it's a slippery slope, but I don't think we've 'slipped' yet.

Well yeah but look at her. She's not the sort of person who strikes me as someone who gives much thought to things like 'consequences' or vague notions like 'the future'.

Right, right...allegedly...

Speaking of fistfights... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe-collapses-in-european-parliament The would be king of UKIP has been clocked in an MEP meeting and is now in hospital.

Her arse is fake...? EDIT Fucking hell, really? Wow.

She'll have been paid for the story. Probably not by the Metro, but quite possibly by the assorted women's magazines that live for this stuff.

Aye but still - taken as a whole, the chance of *anyone* dying is higher. And I do think then that you need to start weighing up lives against freedoms.

I assumed the sex tape would be rubbish so haven't bothered with it. Says it all about the culture we live in that we can afford to be choosy about this kind of thing.

But yes, the risk has to be proportionate. Still though, that's your personal risk (I appreciate you've plucked that number out of nowhere) - the actual likelihood of a fatal exploding happening to *anyone* would be significantly higher, if you looked at the nation as a whole. Therefore I think you could extend this view to 'how many exploded people are worth not being watched'? Because explode they would, without this surveillance. I'm imagining something like the end of Kingsmen presently

In such extreme terms, I'd choose watched.

True, but I think both the left and right make a big deal about other people being the problem. For the left it's the 'rich', for the Tories its the 'immigrants'. As a culture, we look to blame everyone else as we struggle to accept our own individual responsibility for our lives.

This is an interesting statement. So you're effectively accepting the lesser evil here (i.e. being 'watched' rather than being exploded, assuming that it's an all or nothing principle). I actually think that this viewpoint is entirely rational, and I would support it.

Posing for the photos as well Heaven help this country man, seriously.

To be fair, all points being made here are good ones. It depends on how much you trust the establishment, ultimately.

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