Rayvin

Aye which makes sense in your case. It's a NIMBY position but it's still relevant.

Renton has a good point here, thinking about it. If the argument that we as individuals can't do a sufficient amount to make a difference, and that government's should legislate for it, then you'd have to say that we as a country are in the same position. You'd need a body like the UN (but with power) to actually make any meaningful change. A federation of nations. Something like the EU...

That much is true in the same way that 'the individual can't do anything' is true. A bit less so, given the UK's status, but still relevant. We'd need universal acceptance of the challenges and that's not going to happen unless we're 'all in'.

Well that's fair enough in truth, but I do actually think this is one of those things where an individual makes no difference. Legislation against companies is what is needed.

Well yeah, it's the right time to do it. Just interesting to see the sheer number of clubs who feel they're not meeting board expectations.

I think it's more that it would be pointless for him to do so. HF isn't going to save the world on his own. This isn't one of those things that you can leave to 'the people'. Besides, if all main parties got behind it, it'd get through.

Is this sackings at the normal rate season to season or is this year special?

Renton seems bizarrely determined that people who disagree with him are hypocrites rather than just wrong. I think it's because he has some self loathing issues about going over to the dark side...

HF truly is incorruptible.

People could be forced to stop having kids. Although as HF says, that doesn't sound like it's the problem, really. Not dying early enough is. I'd settle for uploading my stream of consciousness into a computer if that becomes an option. When my body has had it, of course.

Are you thinking they'd be useful for turning the planet into a mobile home?

I googled this and it's some kind of gas powered car. I don't understand

You're right. We can get it to a solid 5% I'm sure. Just need more runways. I'm assuming we're in agreement now that it is short termism though? When compared to the threat of climate change, that is?

I think if we survive long enough, we'd manage that before the Sun goes. Imagine how weird that would be though, for our homeworld to be annihilated and for us to go on.

That's damning if true. There's little to nothing we can do about that except what, selective breeding? Because surely you'd reach a point where not everyone could be allowed to breed. Or we colonise Mars or something. Bizarre to think that the killer of humanity will end up being it's own success at surviving. I'm saving the world, dammit

The question though, is why either you or I should care, given that we have no intention to have kids. Just eternal givers, I suppose Is that true universally? Birth rates aren't the problem, it's longevity? I know that's the issue here, is it now global?

I haven't actually flown anywhere this year (have flown twice in the past 5 years) but a couple of flights per annum sounds ok to me. In truth though, I'd be happy to work to some government mandated level if it assisted with combatting climate change. Agree on population increase, although I have the impression that this may be a self correcting issue due to our lack of long term planning.

We're fucked. Short termism it is.

It's short termist because aviation is bad for the environment and the environment is going to hell in a handcart? Governments are supposed to take a lead on this. Fair enough on the plane stacking point - if that stands up to scrutiny then great. My point was more that the government just doesn't care about environmental controls because the rewards for doing so are long term. Something that the private sector is also guilty of.

Weirdly, I'm not convinced that Tories are particularly pro-London... I'm really not sure what they are at the moment, and I'm not certain they're sure either. But either way, the vote chasing comment was more just a general complaint.

Let's be honest, it's not madness as such. It's short termism. Negative consequences are all in the future. May not even affect the people who will benefit from this. Will Theresa May be here in 30 years? Doubtful. Our short termist, vote chasing bollocks of a democracy just doesn't care.

Aye I guess so. Maybe I'm being too jaded.

Ah. Ok well yeah, I totally agree with that. I daresay we'd have won it, actually.