Rayvin

I would go for whatever saves the most lives, and we all just accept and live by that basic rationality. Each life weighed equally against the next. Sure there'd be horror stories where some small child is killed in place of 5 terminally ill old people on their way to a euthanasia clinic, but overall, I think the rule would be acceptable.

Unfortunately the old 'effective' opposition supported their policies. Even though they were bollocks - so we'd have a hard time making any political point scoring stick if NL were still in charge wouldn't we? Couldn't the Tories just turn around and say 'Yeah well you had the same sorts of plans?'

I mean, that's effectively the same thing I said. Unless you're stating that them 'playing' in the centre means that they haven't moved back to the left from a position to the right of there.

I think he is. I think they moved right while Miliband was in charge as Labour kept rushing centrewards to meet them. For the sake of distinction, if one moves towards the other, the other has to move away. But Corbyn pulling Labour way off that stance has forced the Tories to gravitate back into the middle, IMO. I genuinely don't think they'll be treating Corbyn as blithely as the papers are making out. Not after Brexit. I hope they are of course! That'd be truly very interesting. But I doubt it.

That's a really interesting question - but would any of us be capable of assessing that moral quandry in the few split seconds we'd have to make a decision. Surely your brain would just pick a direction and go for it. The car would have to be programmed on something along the lines of assessing which object it was farthest from and aiming for that one, I think.

I get what you're saying but I dunno. Motion detectors, sensors for detecting changes in light... if they can pick up the movement they'd have a better reaction time than we would. I recall being surprised that cars can park themselves now. They'll find a way to do it, and far more safely (overall) than people being responsible I reckon.

Do you think the Tories live in a bubble, entirely uninterrupted by the events of the outside world? They will have seen Labour's populist policy pledges, and have incorporated some of it into their own. The abandonment of austerity is case in point. If Labour were still in agreement with them on austerity, would we be seeing the same changes? They've framed it as a response to Brexit, so it's possible, but that smacks of a convenient excuse given that Gideon was going to ramp up the cuts in his post-Brexit plan. I think Corbyn is having an effect personally. I think they'll be sensitive to the fact that he could connect with the voters that the establishment left behind, who ultimately voted us out of Europe. I know plenty of people on here feel Corbyn can't make this connection, but the Tories won't just be sitting there assuming that they don't have to do anything in response to him, and that they can carry on regardless. He is pulling them leftwards - in the same way that they pulled Labour rightwards.

Quite.

Swansea have just jettisoned Guidolin. Can't imagine too many people bet on him to go first...

I see the Tories are promising spending on building affordable housing, and have abandoned any pretense at gaining a budget surplus, claiming instead that they will be looking at pragmatically reducing the deficit instead of making key pledges. This latter point means that they can no longer be judged on the economy any more, as they can just claim that their 'pragmatic' targets are farther into the future. The housing one is a win for Corbyn I would argue. I'd suggest he's focusing their minds on actually having to help people. Hopefully we can pull them further left. As an aside, he (Corbyn) was up in Newcastle over the weekend. The first time I can recall seeing any politician of any relevance on the ground talking to people...

It's like every single news event takes us one step closer to Parky's dystopian future.

He has gone over this a few times CT...

Aye, that makes sense. Goodbye, FDI!

That's a fucking good point actually. It absolutely should be a compromise position. I suppose the only credible counter-argument to that would be if soft-Brexit did more harm than good to the country... but we'd need another referendum to determine everyone's thoughts on that anyway.

Aye, same. He was never going to get them anywhere. But still, I think he's done enough damage to give them too big a mountain to climb as long as we're aiming for automatic slots.

Old school, but I guess it would solve the problem.

I'm not going to pretend to know a lot about what is going on in Columbia between the government and FARC but the idea that a peace settlement was reached and then put to referendum before being voted down by the general public is stunning: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/02/colombia-referendum-rejects-peace-deal-with-farc So the Columbian public want blood. Honestly, referendums should be made illegal under international law or something, people are too driven by emotions to make rational decisions when acting as a collective.

Villa apparently in for Huddersfield's manager. Which would be a good result for us, I think.

It depends on your outlook really. I viewed Europe as a progressive force on the UK, ensuring better rights for all and more accountability for our government; moreover, I believe that the only way for global social evolution to continue is by 'ever closer' union, with both the EU and beyond. So ultimately, us breaking away from the EU is, in my opinion, not good for global progress. Certainly not in the West. As resources become more scarce, we need increasingly collectivism in Western countries to ensure that we can outmanoeuvre the BRICs economies. I do accept that this inevitably means that 'the establishment' continues with its choke hold on the rest of us but honestly, I think that's the situation either way.

As in christiano? Fuck me, we might even have won something if we'd pulled that off.

I meant the ones that were actually successful I'm not missing them incidentally, just marvelling at the fact that no matter how much they spend, they just can't make this work.

Not gonna disagree with you there, but I don't think it's a cause for concern since we appear to be able to play better against better teams.

Man U and Stoke drawing... The old Man U are never coming back, are they?

Aye but that's exactly the sort of thing we do, isn't it?