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Yeah, it's hard not to like that bit about Trump actually. Hard to see where the Republicans can go if they start blocking him on things though...? How will that look to their voter base?

True - and while the Republicans hold Congress, they also want the trade deals... Would be a bold move though.

Chez's view that he's actually going to do them a favour in a lot of senses is also possible. Doesn't quite scan with the trade deal element though, so maybe your angle is right on that front.

Absolutely. I really hope that we get an evolution on the left from this, it's sorely needed. Hopefully it'll have widespread media support as well, given that they're now faced with the alternative.

Very interesting piece. It is remarkable that the nuances are that small.

I could totally understand him not wanting to overanalyse the fallout of this with us On another note, Farage is fucking loving this... I hate Farage, but I'm struggling to think that he's wrong when he more or less asserts that all of this wouldn't have been possible without him. What an ego boost that must be... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/10/nigel-farage-jokes-about-trumps-alleged-sexual-assaults

It's all internalised misogyny, clearly. Or maybe they care about more than the gender identity of the candidate? Nah, couldn't be that... That said, they could still all be racists also 94% of black women voted for Clinton, so it's not like he won with all sectors there.

Interesting information from one of the exit polls... Rejecting the candidate who had aimed to be America’s first female president, 53% of white women voted for Trump, according to CNN exit polls. White women without a college degree supported Trump over Hillary Clinton by nearly a two to one margin. White women with a college degree were more evenly divided, with 45% supporting Trump, compared with 51% supporting Clinton.

I very much think he'll tone it down. I can't see him rescinding any civil liberties to be honest, although I do see how his election opens the door for hateful actions. He's already removed a number of his campaign promises from his website, including the barring Muslims from entering the country bit.

It'll get worse before it gets better IMO Plus, even if I'm wrong about the whole Neoliberalism shit and this is just an entirely racist and misogynistic event like the fantasists are saying, in 4 years time Trump will have done such a horrifying job that the US will probably be about ready to elect its first black lesbian President, let alone the first woman.

Ken was always a highlight. He only posted here when drunk as far as I could tell...

Aye but they're doing better in school though so it only makes sense that they'd be paid more. Does rather prove they aren't discriminated against in this sense of course.

That's the article the quote comes from. Was written back in April but certainly rings true.

He could be the voice of the disaffected posters. He could make the forum great again!

I don't think the vast majority of voters know what Neoliberalism is. Monbiot explains what we've just seen as follows. I happen to agree with this in the absence of a superior explanation: Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics. Chris Hedges remarks that “fascist movements build their base not from the politically active but the politically inactive, the ‘losers’ who feel, often correctly, they have no voice or role to play in the political establishment”. When political debate no longer speaks to us, people become responsive instead to slogans, symbols and sensation. To the admirers of Trump, for example, facts and arguments appear irrelevant.

We know

Dunno like, it's been a while since I lost a bet involving the eating of someone's arse.

FFS Parky, say what you mean. I'm open to being wrong?

Yep, looking likely. Unless this serves as a warning to the centre left in France. I'm sure they must be taking this seriously now, Brexit and Trump should be all the signal any other liberal Western democracy needs.

I think you're rather missing the point here. Trump isn't the answer, he's a symptom. We don't have an answer. Also, is Naomi Klein the ex-marketing manager, or am I?

What do you mean? You think they're credible? I've seen them distort reality on a number of issues, I find their narratives uncomfortable...

Brilliant piece from mysel--- I mean Naomi Klein. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/rise-of-the-davos-class-sealed-americas-fate

The Young Turks... not the most credible source for anything, but ok.

Good post HF, interesting read.